EdinburghRam Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 "Meh, if i was a betting man, i'd say we delayed the offer until we could shift someone, and Eustace got fed up and signed a new contract." "Depends if you believe Bloomers in saying the sticking point was his wages. No reason for him to lie" That's what i wrote, and then another post questioning if the move depended on Leacock and Bywater moving. "Abysmal. He took a wage drop when Watford gave him a new contract. How can we not afford him?" That's what you said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcdavecov Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 "Abysmal. He took a wage drop when Watford gave him a new contract. How can we not afford him?" That's what you said Which is true. If you go on Bloomers tweet, then that's the sensible conclusion. Which interstingly doesn't say "we can't afford him". It was a question.....not a statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Time to move on from Eustace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghRam Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Which is true. If you go on Bloomers tweet, then that's the sensible conclusion. Which interstingly doesn't say "we can't afford him". It was a question.....not a statement. While it was a question you were still stating that we can't afford him. The correct question would have been "can we not afford him?" not "how can we not afford him?". You are saying we can't afford him then asking the reasons why, jumping to conclusions in my book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcdavecov Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 While it was a question you were still stating that we can't afford him. The correct question would have been "can we not afford him?" not "how can we not afford him?". You are saying we can't afford him then asking the reasons why, jumping to conclusions in my book It's the same question. You make me laugh. Is it not you jumping to conclusions based on how i word a sentence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghRam Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 It's the same question. You make me laugh. Is it not you jumping to conclusions based on how i word a sentence? It's definitely not the same question. How can we not afford him? - presuming we can't afford him, and then asking the reasons behind this Can we not afford him? - Wondering whether we can afford him or not. Do you see the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hartley Hare Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 Who would have thought that the signing of 34 year old on a 6 month loan could have generated so many posts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Who would have thought that the signing of 34 year old on a 6 month loan could have generated so many posts... Before even seeing him play a game for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghRam Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Before even seeing him play a game for us. To be fair, a lot of the posts are about useless Eustace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Personal terms ain't just wages. Anyone hear Radio 5 last night, with Tony Pulis discussing lots of things around scouting and signing. Apparently when Bolton were going through their period of signing aging big names like Okocha and the like, they had a policy of giving good wages but little else. He mentioned they'd have a word with the agent ahead of the meeting, saying that they can forget about a personal chauffer, a gardener and an assistant, that image rights remain with the club, and basically they could forget any idea of having the club pamper them. And at least one agent just walked out immediately. The club might be prepared to pay the asking price, just not wipe the players @rse or pander to his every whim - which might make the player walk away. As for all the assumptions (we can't afford him; we're paying x% of his wages; Hull want to offload his wages; he'll be ****; we're better off holding back and signing a youth with "potential") - remember this: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2476/5815702011_4556933036 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcdavecov Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Depends if you're presuming or assuming and getting the two mixed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 To be fair, a lot of the posts are about useless Eustace Who we arent signing so why keep going on and on about it. He has agreed a new deal at his current club, move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcdavecov Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Who we arent signing so why keep going on and on about it. He has agreed a new deal at his current club, move on. Not that simple. You can tell alot from that transfer about what is going to take place for the rest of the window. Depending what you believe of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Depends if you're presuming or assuming and getting the two mixed up. "Assume has a variety of meanings. It basically means "to take up or on oneself," "to suppose or take for granted," "to pretend," or "to be taken up." I think a lot of supposition is happening. I suppose we're paying 50% of his wages, kind of supposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Not that simple. You can tell alot from that transfer about what is going to take place for the rest of the window. Depending what you believe of course. Not really its all guess work, we wanted him that is fact, he has signed a new deal with his current club which is a fact all the other stuff is just internet gossip. It happens, he has got a good deal at a club where he is happy like many people do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcdavecov Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 "Assume has a variety of meanings. It basically means "to take up or on oneself," "to suppose or take for granted," "to pretend," or "to be taken up." I think a lot of supposition is happening. I suppose we're paying 50% of his wages, kind of supposition. I agree. But Edin is assuming without any eveidence.....No proof or evidence, just assumptions it was down to personal terms like didn't want to move. I'm presuming....taking the evidence of Bloomers tweet, cost cutting, Cloughs comments about moving players on and lack of investment....I have evidence, just no proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hartley Hare Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 Before even seeing him play a game for us. Nothing new about that... I reckon if we signed Messi there'd be some on here complaining that he's lazy and he doesn't track back enough, before they've seen him play for us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghRam Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I agree. But Edin is assuming without any eveidence.....No proof or evidence, just assumptions it was down to personal terms like didn't want to move. Absolute rubbish, I'm not assuming anything. It could well have been down to the fact that we don't have enough money, or didn't want to pay that much, or Eustace was happy in London, I have no idea what the reasons behind it are, and never assumed anything. All I said was don't presume we don't have enough money, which is exactly what you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcdavecov Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Absolute rubbish, I'm not assuming anything. It could well have been down to the fact that we don't have enough money, or didn't want to pay that much, or Eustace was happy in London, I have no idea what the reasons behind it are, and never assumed anything. All I said was don't presume we don't have enough money, which is exactly what you did. you're assuming it's not wages though. Anyway, this is a right dickish argument. I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghRam Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 you're assuming it's not wages though. Anyway, this is a right dickish argument. I'm out. No I'm not, I'm open to accept it could be anything therefore you shouldn't presume it is something. As people have said "personal terms" covers a lot more than just wages. Who knows what it could be. I agree, but I'm still right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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