Formula One World Championship 2011

[Wilko]

When Senna did these things everyone loved him. They all rave about Button and his clean driving but when Button passes people he is always in a faster car with better tyres. If all the cars were even Hamilton would win every race.

The difference between the two is that Senna was most often successful in his overtake attempts. Not only that but he came with a reputation where if he didn't get through the first time, he'd make sure he did the second.

It's a different grid now. Hamilton is coming up against drivers who don't want to move and won't bow to reputations (see Schumacher).

But for me, he's got plenty of time to win more titles. McLaren need to build a good car for 2012 if they are to keep him.

Senna won his first World Championship at 28, going on to win three in total before his tragic death at just 34. He would have gone on to win at least one or two more. Hamilton has plenty of time and a World Championship to his name at 26.

[tomsdubs]

The difference between the two is that Senna was most often successful in his overtake attempts. Not only that but he came with a reputation where if he didn't get through the first time, he'd make sure he did the second.

It's a different grid now. Hamilton is coming up against drivers who don't want to move and won't bow to reputations (see Schumacher).

But for me, he's got plenty of time to win more titles. McLaren need to build a good car for 2012 if they are to keep him.

Senna won his first World Championship at 28, going on to win three in total before his tragic death at just 34. He would have gone on to win at least one or two more. Hamilton has plenty of time and a World Championship to his name at 26.

Hamilton is succesful in the majority of his overtake attempts, just the odd one that gets highlighted and ends up costing him. Many times we saw Senna wipe other cars out going for gaps that didn't exist.

One season everyone complains about the lack of competitive racing and then the next you are crucified for being competitive. I think Hamilton will win world titles again but Mclaren need to sort their act out, the car was 4 months behind Red Bull's. Championship is done as far as i am concerned barring exceptional circumstances.

All the new rules for more exciting racing and it is more one sided than last season! One thing that does make me wonder, if the incidents Lewis was in on the weekend had been the other way round what would the reaction be? Can't help but think if it had been Lewis wiping Kobayashi out from behind he would have a penalty for next race with the media going crazy. Stating how Kobayashi was obviously ahead going in to the corner blah blah.

If i see Vettel stick his stupid finger up again i might smash my TV in :mad:

[CumbrianRam]

Vettel on pole in Monza, Hamilton 2nd & Button 3rd.

Starting Grid

Sunday, 11 September 2011

Position Country Driver Car number Team Qualifying time

1 Ger Sebastian Vettel 1 Red Bull-Renault 1:22.275

2 GB Lewis Hamilton 3 McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.725

3 GB Jenson Button 4 McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.777

4 Spa Fernando Alonso 5 Ferrari 1:22.841

5 Aus Mark Webber 2 Red Bull-Renault 1:22.972

6 Brz Felipe Massa 6 Ferrari 1:23.188

7 Rus Vitaly Petrov 10 Renault 1:23.530

8 Ger Michael Schumacher 7 Mercedes GP 1:23.777

9 Ger Nico Rosberg 8 Mercedes GP 1:24.477

10 Brz Bruno Senna 9 Renault No time

11 GB Paul Di Resta 15 Force India-Mercedes 1:24.163

12 Ger Adrian Sutil 14 Force India-Mercedes 1:24.209

13 Brz Rubens Barrichello 11 Williams-Cosworth 1:24.648

14 Ven Pastor Maldonado 12 Williams-Cosworth 1:24.726

15 Mex Sergio Perez 17 Sauber 1:24.845

16 Swi Sebastien Buemi 18 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:24.932

17 Jpn Kamui Kobayashi 16 Sauber 1:25.065

18 Spa Jaime Alguersuari 19 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:25.334

19 Ita Jarno Trulli 21 Lotus-Renault 1:26.647

20 Fin Heikki Kovalainen 20 Lotus-Renault 1:27.184

21 Ger Timo Glock 24 Virgin-Cosworth 1:27.591

22 Bel Jerome d'Ambrosio 25 Virgin-Cosworth 1:27.609

23 Aus Daniel Ricciardo 22 Hispania-Cosworth 1:28.054

24 Ita Vitantonio Liuzzi 23 Hispania-Cosworth 1:28.231

[CumbrianRam]

Vettel wins in Monza, Button 2nd, Alonso 3rd, Hamilton 4th & Schumacher 5th. Vettel can win the title next time out at Singapore.

PROVISIONAL RACE RESULTS

The Italian Grand Prix

Autodromo di Monza, Italy;

53 laps; 306.720km;

Weather: Sunny.

Classified:

Pos Driver Team Time

1. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1h20:46.172

2. Button McLaren-Mercedes + 9.590

3. Alonso Ferrari + 16.909

4. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes + 17.471

5. Schumacher Mercedes + 32.677

6. Massa Ferrari + 42.993

7. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari + 1 lap

8. Di Resta Force India-Mercedes + 1 lap

9. Senna Renault + 1 lap

10. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari + 1 lap

11. Maldonado Williams-Cosworth + 1 lap

12. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth + 1 lap

13. Kovalainen Lotus-Renault + 1 lap

14. Trulli Lotus-Renault + 2 laps

15. Glock Virgin-Cosworth + 2 laps

Fastest lap: Hamilton, 1:26.187

Not classified/retirements:

Driver Team On lap

Ricciardo HRT-Cosworth 40

Perez Sauber-Ferrari 34

Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 23

Sutil Force India-Mercedes 11

Webber Red Bull-Renault 6

D'Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 3

Petrov Renault 1

Rosberg Mercedes 1

Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 1

World Championship standings, round 13:

Drivers: Constructors:

1. Vettel 284 1. Red Bull-Renault 451

2. Alonso 172 2. McLaren-Mercedes 325

3. Webber 167 3. Ferrari 254

4. Button 167 4. Mercedes 108

5. Hamilton 158 5. Renault 70

6. Massa 82 6. Force India-Mercedes 36

7. Rosberg 56 7. Sauber-Ferrari 35

8. Schumacher 52 8. Toro Rosso-Ferrari 29

9. Petrov 34 9. Williams-Cosworth 5

10. Heidfeld 34

11. Kobayashi 27

12. Sutil 24

13. Alguersuari 16

14. Buemi 13

15. Di Resta 12

16. Perez 8

17. Barrichello 4

18. Senna 2

19. Maldonado 1

All timing unofficial

[SSD]

Only good part of the race was that crash on the first lap so Vettel has more or less won the Championship. Soon to be the new boring Schumacher era.......

[tomsdubs]

Only good part of the race was that crash on the first lap so Vettel has more or less won the Championship. Soon to be the new boring Schumacher era.......

I don't think so, the big changes in 2014 will really shake it up.

[SSD]

Which is......

[JoetheRam]

Button outperfoming Hamilton yet again, although after his restart from the Safety Car period where he was caught napping, Hamilton did well - good clean driving behind Schumacher.

Great defence also from Schumacher under immense pressure for about 20 laps by the two McLarens, shame it pretty much let Vettel run away with it.

I don't understand the hate loads of people have for Vettel, seems like a decent chap and has shown recently that he can go wheel to wheel with the more hyped Alonso's and Hamilton's - great pass around the outside of Curva Grande today.

Good race, that didn't let DRS totally ruin the day as it has done on a few occasions this season.

[Duracell]

Only good part of the race was that crash on the first lap so Vettel has more or less won the Championship. Soon to be the new boring Schumacher era.......

This has been the most exciting season I can remember, in terms of on-track racing, which is surely what it's all about?

[SSD]

I'm not saying the racing is rubbish, which it isn't because the last 2 seasons have been entertaining. I'm saying its gonna be predictable who's actually gonna win the race (Vettel). But apart from him being too good its been a good season

[Wilko]

This has been the most exciting season I can remember, in terms of on-track racing, which is surely what it's all about?

Personally mate, I don't tune in to see who finishes in the lower points positions. P7-P12 seem to be the only places where there is any actual racing. In terms of the Championship, it's been dire.

Taking nothing away from Vettel. A superb driver and a fantastic World Champion, but I can't help but feel it's a lot like the old "Schumi & Ferrari" approach to racing. A superb car built to his driving style. Put him in a Mac or Ferrari and we'd see a much closer Championship

[Duracell]

Personally mate, I don't tune in to see who finishes in the lower points positions. P7-P12 seem to be the only places where there is any actual racing. In terms of the Championship, it's been dire.

Taking nothing away from Vettel. A superb driver and a fantastic World Champion, but I can't help but feel it's a lot like the old "Schumi & Ferrari" approach to racing. A superb car built to his driving style. Put him in a Mac or Ferrari and we'd see a much closer Championship

Most races have been fantastic from 2nd downwards.

Until this season, motor racing did not get more dull than Formula One. Last season was beyond dire, bar a few wet races. Yeah, we never knew who was going to win - but I've seen 1-0 football matches when I didn't know who was going to win, but they were still boring.

I've lost count the amount of times world champions have literally banged wheels on track this season. The past few years I've often chosen over championships and series' to watch instead of F1, and this year it's grabbed my attention.

When I watch F1, I want to see good racing, and for me that means more than finding out after an hour and a half who had the cleverest bunch of nerds behind a pit wall who found a strategy which involved no overtaking on-track.

It's different to 2004 and 2001 - in those seasons, there was literally no point in watching, there was no interest anywhere in the field.

But it's all opinions and tastes I guess. I watched a fabulous race at Silverstone today with the Le Mans Series and that beats F1 any day of the week, so I can't complain. But I will anyway.

[smiffy]

Button outperfoming Hamilton yet again, although after his restart from the Safety Car period where he was caught napping, Hamilton did well - good clean driving behind Schumacher.

Great defence also from Schumacher under immense pressure for about 20 laps by the two McLarens, shame it pretty much let Vettel run away with it.

I don't understand the hate loads of people have for Vettel, seems like a decent chap and has shown recently that he can go wheel to wheel with the more hyped Alonso's and Hamilton's - great pass around the outside of Curva Grande today.

Good race, that didn't let DRS totally ruin the day as it has done on a few occasions this season.

Good defensive driving by Schuy my ar se.

Hamilton makes a double move, and gets a twenty second penalty, Schuy gets nothing.

[DerbyPride]

Good defensive driving by Schuy my ar se.

Hamilton makes a double move, and gets a twenty second penalty, Schuy gets nothing.

It's becoz he is black, innit.

[JoetheRam]

Good defensive driving by Schuy my ar se.

Hamilton makes a double move, and gets a twenty second penalty, Schuy gets nothing.

For the entire time Hamilton was behind him, Schumacher made only one move to defend and then one to take the racing line, which as the lead car he is perfectly entitled to do. He also gave him plenty of room when Hamilton got alongside him for the most part. I will say his chop on Hamilton which resulted in Hamilton going on the grass was dangerous and unnecessary, but other than that incident, he drove perfectly in my opinion.

[Duracell]

India next. F1 doesn't have a conscience, we all know that, but if it did then it wouldn't be racing there. Loads of peasants who lived on the land where the track was built were told to move on, but were promises land - it looks like only a handful of them actually received anything.

[CumbrianRam]

All Red Bull front row in Singapore, Button 3rd, Hamilton 4th.

The grid

Pos Driver Team Time Gap

1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m44.381s

2. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m44.732s + 0.351

3. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m44.804s + 0.423

4. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m44.809s + 0.428

5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m44.874s + 0.493

6. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m45.800s + 1.419

7. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m46.013s + 1.632

8. Michael Schumacher Mercedes no time

9. Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes no time

10. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes no time

Q2 cut-off time: 1m47.486s Gap **

11. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m47.616s + 2.685

12. Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1m48.082s + 3.151

13. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 1m48.270s + 3.339

14. Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m48.634s + 3.703

15. Bruno Senna Renault 1m48.662s + 3.731

16. Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m49.862s + 4.931

17. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari No time

Q1 cut-off time: 1m49.588s Gap *

18. Vitaly Petrov Renault 1m49.835s + 3.438

19. Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 1m50.948s + 4.551

20. Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault 1m51.012s + 4.615

21. Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1m52.154s + 5.757

22. Jerome D'Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 1m52.363s + 5.966

23. Daniel Ricciardo HRT-Cosworth 1m52.404s + 6.007

24. Tonio Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 1m52.810s + 6.413

107% time: 1m53.844s

* Gap to quickest in Q1

** Gap to quickest in Q2

[CumbrianRam]

Vettel wins, Button 2nd, Hamilton 5th after another collision, this time with Massa. Vettel only needs 1 point to win the title in Japan.

PROVISIONAL RACE RESULTS

The Singapore Grand Prix

Singapore, Singapore;

61 laps; 309.087km;

Weather: Dry.

Classified:

Pos Driver Team Time

1. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1h59:06.537

2. Button McLaren-Mercedes + 1.737

3. Webber Red Bull-Renault + 29.279

4. Alonso Ferrari + 55.449

5. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes + 1:07.766

6. Di Resta Force India-Mercedes + 1:51.067

7. Rosberg Mercedes + 1 lap

8. Sutil Force India-Mercedes + 1 lap

9. Massa Ferrari + 1 lap

10. Perez Sauber-Ferrari + 1 lap

11. Maldonado Williams-Cosworth + 1 lap

12. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari + 1 lap

13. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth + 1 lap

14. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari + 2 laps

15. Senna Renault + 2 laps

16. Kovalainen Lotus-Renault + 2 laps

17. Petrov Renault + 2 laps

18. D'Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth + 2 laps

19. Ricciardo HRT-Cosworth + 4 laps

20. Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth + 4 laps

21. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari + 5 laps

Fastest lap: Button, 1:48.454

Not classified/retirements:

Driver Team On lap

Trulli Lotus-Renault 48

Schumacher Mercedes 29

Glock Virgin-Cosworth 10

World Championship standings, round 14:

Drivers: Constructors:

1. Vettel 309 1. Red Bull-Renault 491

2. Button 185 2. McLaren-Mercedes 353

3. Alonso 184 3. Ferrari 268

4. Webber 182 4. Mercedes 114

5. Hamilton 168 5. Renault 70

6. Massa 84 6. Force India-Mercedes 48

7. Rosberg 62 7. Sauber-Ferrari 36

8. Schumacher 52 8. Toro Rosso-Ferrari 29

9. Heidfeld 34 9. Williams-Cosworth 5

10. Petrov 34

11. Sutil 28

12. Kobayashi 27

13. Di Resta 20

14. Alguersuari 16

15. Buemi 13

16. Perez 9

17. Barrichello 4

18. Senna 2

19. Maldonado 1

All timing unofficial

[Dangerous]

sorry,i dont get it. people get so excited watching a load of rich kids driving in circles.....yet i love watching horses race around a course.

[ladyram]

The pre-race interviews made me laugh today. Red Bull saying they weren't focusing on Vettol becoming Champ. Yeah right, of course not. Why ever would they do that? 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> Still, Vettol is top class, but it's a shame Jenson was held up near the end. Perhaps he should have put the pressure on a bit sooner. Great racing from the McClaren No.1.