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15 hours ago, Angry Ram said:

If you get a chance and have access to Netflix have a gander at the F1 documentary on the 2018 season. Great stuff if you like your F1. 

Binged through it last weekend, good series. Pity Mercedes and Ferrari didn’t want to get involved.

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14 minutes ago, Stagtime said:

Binged through it last weekend, good series. Pity Mercedes and Ferrari didn’t want to get involved.

Yeah.. To be honest, we hear enough about them though. I found the Haas / Renault stuff facinating. The 'best of the rest' made a better documentary. Each episode was great. Force India / Williams / Red Bull driver contracts. A real insight into the drivers as well. Lots of honesty shown.

Max came out as arrogant but brilliant.

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5 minutes ago, Angry Ram said:

Yeah.. To be honest, we hear enough about them though. I found the Haas / Renault stuff facinating. The 'best of the rest' made a better documentary. Each episode was great. Force India / Williams / Red Bull driver contracts. A real insight into the drivers as well. Lots of honesty shown.

Max came out as arrogant but brilliant.

I thought that was a given

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Vettel just spat his dummy, thrown his bottle and tipped his pram over today. 

Bottled yet again under pressure from Hamilton, has he lost his nerve against Lewis.

Funny watching him swap the 2 and 1 between his and Lewis’s car in the parc ferme. Comedy genius or petulant child.

 

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I won't say i understand that rule completely but when it happened i immediately thought it was a dangerous re-entry, regardless of whether Vettel had control of his vehicle or not at that point.

He must be feel under so much pressure to win though.. Thought the bit when they were in the room they sit in before the podium was hilarious. 

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The rule was supposed to be there to prevent drivers leaving the track and then re-joining in a dangerous manner without giving priority to other cars. As Vettel didn't appear to have the car under control as he re-joined, it seems unfair to apply the 're-entry' rule as he would have struggled to steer the car in any other direction to the one he ended up in. If he'd slowed down on the grass and then deliberately pulled accross to prevent Lewis from over-taking, he'd have been bang to rights - but that wasn't what happened.

I absolutely understand Hamilton being upset as he thought he'd pressured Vettel into a mistake and was going to get past him, only to have to slam the brakes on to avoid a collision, but an out of control car is exactly that - and so very harsh to penalise the driver for an unsafe re-entry when he didn't appear to do it deliberately (or have any other options to do something else)....

As for Vettel after the race, petulant child was my take on it - the refusdal to park his car in the correct place, storming off to the Ferrari trailer and then the most childish of all, moving the winner/2nd place markers - bloke just proving (as he has shown a number of times in the last couple of seasons) that he doesn't have the mental strength when he's under pressure. I suppose the penalty at least partly makes up for a considerable number of times that he's been let off/treated leniently by the stewards since he's been driving the Ferrari....

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2 hours ago, Gaspode said:

The rule was supposed to be there to prevent drivers leaving the track and then re-joining in a dangerous manner without giving priority to other cars. As Vettel didn't appear to have the car under control as he re-joined, it seems unfair to apply the 're-entry' rule as he would have struggled to steer the car in any other direction to the one he ended up in. If he'd slowed down on the grass and then deliberately pulled accross to prevent Lewis from over-taking, he'd have been bang to rights - but that wasn't what happened.

I absolutely understand Hamilton being upset as he thought he'd pressured Vettel into a mistake and was going to get past him, only to have to slam the brakes on to avoid a collision, but an out of control car is exactly that - and so very harsh to penalise the driver for an unsafe re-entry when he didn't appear to do it deliberately (or have any other options to do something else)....

As for Vettel after the race, petulant child was my take on it - the refusdal to park his car in the correct place, storming off to the Ferrari trailer and then the most childish of all, moving the winner/2nd place markers - bloke just proving (as he has shown a number of times in the last couple of seasons) that he doesn't have the mental strength when he's under pressure. I suppose the penalty at least partly makes up for a considerable number of times that he's been let off/treated leniently by the stewards since he's been driving the Ferrari....

But it was his mistake that lead to his car being in a position of being out of control. I’d say this is harsh if he’s skidding on a wet patch or oil or something, totally out of his control, but his mistake put him in a position where he ended up reentering dangerously. He asked what more could he have done. The answer is that he could have not made the mistake in the first place. 

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27 minutes ago, TigerTedd said:

But it was his mistake that lead to his car being in a position of being out of control. I’d say this is harsh if he’s skidding on a wet patch or oil or something, totally out of his control, but his mistake put him in a position where he ended up reentering dangerously. He asked what more could he have done. The answer is that he could have not made the mistake in the first place. 

True - but they applied a rule that was intended to stop deliberately dangerous driving to what effectively was a mistake. The rule they found him guilty of breaking (and therefore the penalty they gave him) was never intended to be applied to mistakes - it should have been treated as a racing incident or else they could have told him to let Hamilton pass him - as it was, they effectively killed the race.....

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6 minutes ago, Gaspode said:

True - but they applied a rule that was intended to stop deliberately dangerous driving to what effectively was a mistake. The rule they found him guilty of breaking (and therefore the penalty they gave him) was never intended to be applied to mistakes - it should have been treated as a racing incident or else they could have told him to let Hamilton pass him - as it was, they effectively killed the race.....

I thought Ferrari could have been proactive and told Vettel to give up the place. 

He couldn't do much about his re-entry granted, but he left the track and gained an advantage imo.

If he'd have given the place up, he wouldn't have been punished and would have had a handy amount of laps left to try to reverse the placings.

If the roles were reversed, I just don't see Hamilton making the same mistake, the difference between great, and all time great perhaps?

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On ‎10‎/‎06‎/‎2019 at 19:04, TigerTedd said:

But it was his mistake that lead to his car being in a position of being out of control. I’d say this is harsh if he’s skidding on a wet patch or oil or something, totally out of his control, but his mistake put him in a position where he ended up reentering dangerously. He asked what more could he have done. The answer is that he could have not made the mistake in the first place. 

That's entirely my point of view too.

Also I think by keeping his foot on the loud pedal, instead of coming off it, that is making the dangerous re-entry on the track a conscious decision.

I also think Brundle is becoming a liability on Sky F1. Too many instances where he thinks he knows best.

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I'm no fan of Hamilton or vettel,both come across as spoilt man children but if side with vettel over this one....he was clearly out of control and would have been little more than a passenger trying to react in a split second to the event....

But mainly I think this decision is yet another mail in the coffin for my other beloved sport....I want to see racing, competition and no small amount of skullduggery and daring do on the track.

It's just getting so bloody dull.

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