Stive Pesley Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 25 minutes ago, Paul71 said: Not related to FOBT but was surprised to receive an email from DCFC stating if I took rams TV for 45.00 I would get free 45.00 credit with an online bookmaker. They then say you have to spend it all within a week. Doesn't seem very responsible advertising. The "promote responsible gambling" thing is a joke. Sign up with any online booky and you are bombarded with texts and emails outright goading you into taking up their amazing offers to lose more money with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 25 minutes ago, StivePesley said: The "promote responsible gambling" thing is a joke. Sign up with any online booky and you are bombarded with texts and emails outright goading you into taking up their amazing offers to lose more money with them No one makes us do it though...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 6 hours ago, Mafiabob said: No one makes us do it though...... Oh aye yeah I get that the final impulse lies with the gambler, but the egging on that takes place is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, StivePesley said: Oh aye yeah I get that the final impulse lies with the gambler, but the egging on that takes place is awful. Not going to deny industry can do better. Just think one particular product is dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 15 hours ago, Mafiabob said: No one makes us do it though...... Maybe not quite the same but what about people who assist in the preparation of terrorist material? They provide the bombs etc but nobody makes the bomber blow himself up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Hidden some allegations. Please provide links that back this up and I will reinstate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 hours ago, GboroRam said: Hidden some allegations. Please provide links that back this up and I will inside them. I think part of my post was removed regarding donations from bookmakers to politicians. See link below:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41027964 I guess you also removed some of @Mafiabob post. As far as I am aware the person in question with a supposed vested interest in the outcome, is no longer involved in the industry but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I'm not saying it's not true, just that I don't know anything about it. Some links would help reassure me. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Latest Vlog out now, gone back to my roots a bit seeing as I've got myself into a lot of debates lately. Just showing ways you can put barriers up. Also may be something massive for me and my vlogs coming up soon..... this could be big. Stay tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Paddy Power broken ranks with the bookmakers and agree that maximum stakes need to be reduced... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Paddy Power broken ranks with the bookmakers and agree that maximum stakes need to be reduced... Not going to help a problem gambler one bit. Education and helping it to become a public health issue will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, Mafiabob said: Not going to help a problem gambler one bit. Education and helping it to become a public health issue will. Are you speaking purely from your experience? Doesn't research show that lowering stakes will help with problem gambling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Just now, G STAR RAM said: Are you speaking purely from your experience? Doesn't research show that lowering stakes will help with problem gambling? Lower stakes on one particular form of gambling will not help a problem gambler, a problem gambler who knows they have a problem shouldn't be gambling, talking through own experiences and others. The addicts will remain if brought in. The people proposing this will clear off to something else. Basically it's a bashing of bookmakers and playing on people who want to blame everyone else but themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, Mafiabob said: Lower stakes on one particular form of gambling will not help a problem gambler, a problem gambler who knows they have a problem shouldn't be gambling, talking through own experiences and others. The addicts will remain if brought in. The people proposing this will clear off to something else. Basically it's a bashing of bookmakers and playing on people who want to blame everyone else but themselves. But this is one of them bookmakers agreeing that there is a problem? If FOBTs are not a source of problem gambling then surely bookmakers revenues will not have increased since their introduction? Which makes it strange to see that every bookmakers have these machines in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Paddy Power love a good publicity stunt, probably send Bentdner out with a pair of pants next weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 14 goals in 21 games this season for the Lord over in Norway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: But this is one of them bookmakers agreeing that there is a problem? If FOBTs are not a source of problem gambling then surely bookmakers revenues will not have increased since their introduction? Which makes it strange to see that every bookmakers have these machines in! It is up to the problem gambler to admit they have the problem..... millions upon millions gamble responsibly...... for me, it's a faux argument..... there's agendas being pushed and the person who gets pushed aside is the problem gambler. We will see what happens. If stakes do get reduced and the lobbyists have their way, I'd like to see them around after to still care about problem gamblers..... you won't though. All about agendas..... Casino industry will benefit the most out of it, it's a war between BACTA and ABB. Wish instead of self interests they would come together and maybe help fund "treatment" for problem gamblers. All I can say is that I'll be around after. Can guarantee a lot won't be who portray they care. I could libel loads of lobbyists for comments made to me, but I won't, I'm not self serving. (That's a little dig at a lobbyist who has) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 56 minutes ago, Mafiabob said: It is up to the problem gambler to admit they have the problem..... millions upon millions gamble responsibly...... for me, it's a faux argument..... there's agendas being pushed and the person who gets pushed aside is the problem gambler. We will see what happens. If stakes do get reduced and the lobbyists have their way, I'd like to see them around after to still care about problem gamblers..... you won't though. All about agendas..... Casino industry will benefit the most out of it, it's a war between BACTA and ABB. Wish instead of self interests they would come together and maybe help fund "treatment" for problem gamblers. All I can say is that I'll be around after. Can guarantee a lot won't be who portray they care. I could libel loads of lobbyists for comments made to me, but I won't, I'm not self serving. (That's a little dig at a lobbyist who has) But while will the casino industry benefit most? Does this not contradict your own argument? If the FOBTs are removed or stakes reduced then surely the gamblers will carry on going in the bookmakers anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 31 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: But while will the casino industry benefit most? Does this not contradict your own argument? If the FOBTs are removed or stakes reduced then surely the gamblers will carry on going in the bookmakers anyway? Because the main folk lobbying against them are from or were casino industry..... doesn't contradict my own argument. If setting imposed limits and saying to a compulsive gambler, it's ok to gamble if you limit yourself.... then that's wrong, end of the day, it's up to the problem gambler to admit they have a problem, nannying won't help.... try telling a PG they've had enough and say I think you should snap out of it and stop..... Can't help everyone, why should a select few who blame everybody and everything else but themselves impose limits and bans many millions who gamble responsibly don't need? Imagine being told you can't spend more than £10 a week on beer, or £10 on fast food..... If telling them it's not your fault it's a machine, casino, bookies or online sites fault...... then we living dangerously as a society where we can blame others for our own actions. We ain't the victims of our addiction, the families and friends who trusted us are. The old lady who gets robbed in the street is, the son or daughter whose promised day out hasn't happened because mummy or daddy spent the money on scratch cards is..... could go on. Responsibilty is key, education is a must, especially in schools, but it's up to our own devices to choose what we do. I'm powerless but I'm in a very small minority. I'm not imposing anything millions do enjoy responsibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, Mafiabob said: Because the main folk lobbying against them are from or were casino industry..... doesn't contradict my own argument. If setting imposed limits and saying to a compulsive gambler, it's ok to gamble if you limit yourself.... then that's wrong, end of the day, it's up to the problem gambler to admit they have a problem, nannying won't help.... try telling a PG they've had enough and say I think you should snap out of it and stop..... Can't help everyone, why should a select few who blame everybody and everything else but themselves impose limits and bans many millions who gamble responsibly don't need? Imagine being told you can't spend more than £10 a week on beer, or £10 on fast food..... If telling them it's not your fault it's a machine, casino, bookies or online sites fault...... then we living dangerously as a society where we can blame others for our own actions. We ain't the victims of our addiction, the families and friends who trusted us are. The old lady who gets robbed in the street is, the son or daughter whose promised day out hasn't happened because mummy or daddy spent the money on scratch cards is..... could go on. Responsibilty is key, education is a must, especially in schools, but it's up to our own devices to choose what we do. I'm powerless but I'm in a very small minority. I'm not imposing anything millions do enjoy responsibly. The first line just isn't true. There are many lobbying against them, although many behind certain parties. The contradiction I meant is that you don't see FOBTs are a problem but say if they were removed from bookmakers it would drive the people that use them in to casinos. I agree that the gamblers need to help themselves but am aware of many that self exclude only to be allowed to carry on gambling. The industry needs to do its part too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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