David Moyes Slap

[Rev]

Never mind all this cut and thrust.

The important question is does @Lambchop put the bins out?

[StringerBell]

1 hour ago, Paul71 said:

Ok but how far does it go?

Like the magnet kitchen advert, a couple obviously have a new kitchen and it portrays them marvelling over their new kitchen but he is just stood having a coffee and the woman is sat with a baby feed it...sexist?

Another washing powder ad with a kids party all getting messy and ending with a smiling woman putting clothes in a washing machine...so sexist i guess.

And what about the diet coke advert with a group of girls sat laughing and eyeing up the male gardener who opens a diet coke and spills it on his shirt and has to take it off showing his abs...who is that sexist too? the girls for eyeing him up, the guy for being an object?

My Mrs and me must both be sexist as when it comes to jobs around the house, yeah she does the washing and ironing, and i wash the cars, do the lawns etc....very stereotypical roles...are we wrong?

 Best 'racist' but not racist advert ever.

 

[Sith Happens]

34 minutes ago, StringerBell said:

 Best 'racist' but not racist advert ever.

 

Ha lol....thats got racism, sexism all built into one.

[McRainy]

22 hours ago, reveldevil said:

Never mind all this cut and thrust.

The important question is does @Lambchop put the bins out?

Is that a euphemism?

It's still black bags where I live. 

[McRainy]

23 hours ago, StringerBell said:

The government stats themselves aren't necessarily. Just as long as, say, a survey is taken for what it is - a survey. 

Statistics are compiled from a range of sources including police records, the data isn't just taken from a survey.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160105160709/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/method-quality/specific/crime-statistics-methodology/uk-statistics-authority-assessment/index.html

 

23 hours ago, StringerBell said:

I don't personally see why the consequences of feminist propaganda should be off the table when conjecturing about what possible reasons might cause this difference in attitudes. There will be different reasons and I think this is one of them.

Feminist propaganda influences people's attitude to rape? I think it's fairer to say the horrific impact on a victim's life influences people's attitude to rape.

The incidence of sexual violence and harassment against women is disturbingly high in the UK, yet you seem eager to downplay its significance by discounting the official evidence and proposing half baked theories of your own.

You also pour scorn on any suggestion that women are socially disadvantaged, again in the face of all the accepted evidence. All that says to me is that you have an axe to grind and you don't know what you're talking about. 

Taking an oppositional stance on patriarchy and misogyny is a redundant position whether you're male or female. Misogyny isn't just prejudice against a particular group per se, it is also the devaluing of femininity in men as well as women. Men are harmed by having to conform to a narrow, some would say toxic, social expectation of what it means to be male.

The highest killer of men under 25 is suicide. Something is clearly dysfunctional in the way young men are socialised, and in their resultant inability to deal with the pressures they are under or seek appropriate support. 

Opposing patriarchy isn't some outdated battle of the sexes, it's challenging the social structures and value systems which confine men and women into restrictive and harmful stereotypes. 

[Rev]

1 hour ago, Lambchop said:

Is that a euphemism?

It's still black bags where I live. 

It's always men who put the bins out.

I questioned this with my wife, she tells me the clue is in the title.

Manual labour.

 

[McRainy]

1 minute ago, reveldevil said:

It's always men who put the bins out.

I questioned this with my wife, she tells me the clue is in the title.

Manual labour.

 

Then again, some will tell you 'man' is an inclusive term. 

And yes, I put the bin bags out as often as not. 

[RamNut]

I preferred the idea that it was a euphemism - made me laugh anyway.

[McRainy]

9 minutes ago, RamNut said:

I preferred the idea that it was a euphemism - made me laugh anyway.

Put yer bins out for the lads. 

Whahey!

[StringerBell]

1 hour ago, Lambchop said:

Statistics are compiled from a range of sources including police records, the data isn't just taken from a survey.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160105160709/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/method-quality/specific/crime-statistics-methodology/uk-statistics-authority-assessment/index.html

 

Feminist propaganda influences people's attitude to rape? I think it's fairer to say the horrific impact on a victim's life influences people's attitude to rape.

The incidence of sexual violence and harassment against women is disturbingly high in the UK, yet you seem eager to downplay its significance by discounting the official evidence and proposing half baked theories of your own.

You also pour scorn on any suggestion that women are socially disadvantaged, again in the face of all the accepted evidence. All that says to me is that you have an axe to grind and you don't know what you're talking about. 

Taking an oppositional stance on patriarchy and misogyny is a redundant position whether you're male or female. Misogyny isn't just prejudice against a particular group per se, it is also the devaluing of femininity in men as well as women. Men are harmed by having to conform to a narrow, some would say toxic, social expectation of what it means to be male.

The highest killer of men under 25 is suicide. Something is clearly dysfunctional in the way young men are socialised, and in their resultant inability to deal with the pressures they are under or seek appropriate support. 

Opposing patriarchy isn't some outdated battle of the sexes, it's challenging the social structures and value systems which confine men and women into restrictive and harmful stereotypes. 

You were talking specifically about a man and a woman's stereotypical reaction to the same thing. I said that overstating the prevalance of rape might well play a part in that. That should not be a controversial thing to say.

Considering you have contributed to spreading misinformation about rape you'd think you might take the opportunity to distance yourself from that. Instead you'd prefer to ignore that and say I'm downplaying evidence. I'm not downplaying evidence, I'm refuting poor and malicious conclusions derived from the evidence.

I'm aware there are several sources for the information. But are the estimates not largely derived from surveys? If not we would just go with the 22,000 stat.

Opposing patriarchy is along to opposing capitalism. When you say patriarchy I believe what you mean is meritocracy.

Funny that you say I have an axe to grind, when you have turned this thread into a conversation that has nothing to do with David Moyes by rabbiting on about the patriarchy and rape. Now you're talking about toxic masculinity. You are a dissident.

You don't have to live in a patriarchy you know. I'm sure the matriarchal Mosuo in Tibet would be willing to have you. Are you ok tilling the soil?

Me? I'll stick with civilisation.

 

Message typed on iPhone - brought to you by the patriatchy.

[McRainy]

9 minutes ago, StringerBell said:

You were talking specifically about a man and a woman's stereotypical reaction to the same thing.

I was pointing out that they are not the same thing at all. 

The rest of your post is not worth a response. 

[StringerBell]

3 minutes ago, Lambchop said:

I was pointing out that they are not the same thing at all. 

The rest of your post is not worth a response. 

But Pistolpete was pointing out they often were, and it is the reaction that is different. 

I'm sorry that you have found out that on this normie forum not everyone is a normie. I have unfortunately been exposed to academic feminism.

As I have been told, there are other forums to spread your message.

[bigbadbob]

On 08/04/2017 at 12:19, StringerBell said:

 Best 'racist' but not racist advert ever.

 

She's got a cracking rack too

[Sith Happens]

David Moyes has not responded to the FA as the deadline to do so has expired.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39558481

When asked why he hadnt responded, moyes was understood to have said "I would have done, i dispute that I am sexist, i wanted to send a response in but couldnt find a woman to type it up for me".

p.s not really.