BaaLocks Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Jubbs said: I can't see Joyce beating Fury, Usyk or AJ, but can see him beating Wilder. Usyk absolutely battered him in the amateurs with ease, dancing around him barely getting hit, he'd do the same if they fought soon. Fury will dance around him for 12 rounds with no issues, he may get caught a couple of times but he's got great recovery as we've seen against Wilder. AJ beat him with ease in the amateurs and the sparring (yes I know) session between them that's online, AJ was absolutely peppering him. With Wilder, we know he cannot fight off the back foot and his chin is suspect. Joyce is a machine that keeps walking forward shot after shot with a phenomenal chin, Wilder's nightmare. Not sure I agree that Usyk battered him with ease in the amateurs - he won it, but it wasn't a shut out. I think we all agree Usyk would win it though. As for AJ, even AJ wants to see that AJ back in the ring but he's gone forever now, me thinks. Wilder would be the interesting fight, I can see that one happening. Wilder is desperate to get back in the reckoning, he's pushing for the fourth fight with Fury - which makes no sense. But we forget he's got the bangingest right in decades - now that would be a question to ask of Joyce's chin. The point you make I really agree with is that Joyce is more than someone who can take a shot, his pressing technique and engine is relentless, so hard for a big man to dance around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Alpha said: I think Fury would just jab him all night from the outside and get a points win. I'd still love to see it just incase. Probably, but I don't think it'd be a pleasant night for him, or Usyk for that matter. Personally, I'd like to see him fight AJ. That's a fight that could go either way, but it could be the quickest route to a title shot if he did get to AJ's chin. It'd be a pretty easy sell to UK fight fans too. Whether AJ would want it, though, I'm not sure. On a general note, I don't see why he'd want Dillian. What's the angle there? Alph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said: Probably, but I don't think it'd be a pleasant night for him, or Usyk for that matter. Personally, I'd like to see him fight AJ. That's a fight that could go either way, but it could be the quickest route to a title shot if he did get to AJ's chin. It'd be a pretty easy sell to UK fight fans too. Whether AJ would want it, though, I'm not sure. On a general note, I don't see why he'd want Dillian. What's the angle there? No he's sitting right outside the top 4 now with a right to call any of them out. Fury clearly trying to send him down the Wilder path with a few comments about Wilder would beat him but nobody else would. Fighting Whyte would pay well but that's about it. Lose and he's 37 and high risk low reward. Nobody will touch him. Win and he's in the same place. I hope he goes for Wilder. Or like you said, AJ is a good fight but AJ will either fight Fury or go on Eddie Hearns world tour I imagine. Wants to take him to China, Africa, Dubai etc Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Fury calling out Joshua again to sign deal for fight by end of today ?, Billy Smart couldn't perform theatrics any better, The circus continues until pen is put to paper. As for Joyce, Anyone who can take the amount of punches he does and comes back with more has as good a chance as anyone in todays boxing heavy weights world title fights. Alph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 If Fury fights Charr then that's a disgrace. You wouldn't even pay to see Charr Vs Hughie Fury. Jubbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubbs Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 28/09/2022 at 13:32, Jubbs said: Would like to see him fight John Ryder, which will be a great indicator to see where he is at quality wise domestically. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubbs Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Alph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Was actually looking forward to it even though it makes no sense. Wonder if it will go ahead then. Guessing not. I was kinda backing Jnr anyway. I've gone off Benn a little bit and I think it's more their fathers that make the sons be heroes or villains. I'm not a big fan of Jnr but ever since Groves schooled him he's grown on me and he's quite entertaining. Snr is still a knobber though. Benn would have been a handful for however long it lasted anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Damn right too, would’ve turned boxing on it’s head. The right decision IMHO, boxing is a sport of honour and discipline and this would have done irreparable damage. Well done to those that have ensured this fight is stopped in its tracks, it was a whole cluster duck from start to finish. Comrade 86 and Alph 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Professional boxing continues to find new and inventive ways to shoot itself in the foot. Don't see Benn as the type to use PEDs knowingly, but it's not a fight that I feel should have been made anyway, so whilst I definitely would have watched it had it gone ahead, I'm not unduly fussed that I now can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubbs Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 I don' think boxers can say Youtubers were making a "mockery" of the sport. Funny story about the Benn drug use, is that Dr Usman Sajjad, a doctor who "specialises in testosterone enhancement/replacement" has Benn listed on his website as a notable client. Other clients included Tyson Fury, Joseph Parker and Tommy Fury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Jubbs said: I don' think boxers can say Youtubers were making a "mockery" of the sport. Funny story about the Benn drug use, is that Dr Usman Sajjad, a doctor who "specialises in testosterone enhancement/replacement" has Benn listed on his website as a notable client. Other clients included Tyson Fury, Joseph Parker and Tommy Fury. I think Dr Sajjad needs to review the acceptable trace levels in boxing dope tests if he's going to continue his specialist work for boxers. Jubbs and Comrade 86 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 16 hours ago, Alpha said: I think Dr Sajjad needs to review the acceptable trace levels in boxing dope tests if he's going to continue his specialist work for boxers. It's funny, but it's kinda not funny too. I really don't think Benn would knowingly cheat, especially having invited VADA into the testing fold. It makes literally no sense when you know that scrutiny is going to be effectively doubled. The primitive nature of it all unsettles me too. Personally, I don't buy it, but the damage is done now and Eubank Snr gets his wish after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, 86 Hair Islands said: It's funny, but it's kinda not funny too. I really don't think Benn would knowingly cheat, especially having invited VADA into the testing fold. It makes literally no sense when you know that scrutiny is going to be effectively doubled. The primitive nature of it all unsettles me too. Personally, I don't buy it, but the damage is done now and Eubank Snr gets his wish after all. I imagine most boxers take it to the limits with supplements and whatever else. They're all machines compared to us mortals. I guess there's 2 types of drug cheat. Those that do it around the testing and hope to mask it and hide it. And those that take whatever is "legal" right to the edge. I'm guessing Benn to be the latter? Especially when it comes to going up and down weights these guys are going to try everything to not lose anything when leaving their prime fight weight. Benn added 10lbs for this, is that right? Maybe he was concerned about how the weight would effect his energy and how his body would react to extra muscle or fat? How would it effect his hydration? I'm just guessing. Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubbs Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 36 minutes ago, Alpha said: Maybe he was concerned about how the weight would effect his energy and how his body would react to extra muscle or fat? How would it effect his hydration? Similarly in the opposite way is probably why Paddy Pimblett was on the Notable Clients list too. Paddy notoriously balloons in weight after a fight then loses loads of weight before a fight, there's no way doing that will not effect his testosterone levels, therefore he takes testosterone enhancement/replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 39 minutes ago, Alpha said: I imagine most boxers take it to the limits with supplements and whatever else. They're all machines compared to us mortals. I guess there's 2 types of drug cheat. Those that do it around the testing and hope to mask it and hide it. And those that take whatever is "legal" right to the edge. I'm guessing Benn to be the latter? Especially when it comes to going up and down weights these guys are going to try everything to not lose anything when leaving their prime fight weight. Benn added 10lbs for this, is that right? Maybe he was concerned about how the weight would effect his energy and how his body would react to extra muscle or fat? How would it effect his hydration? I'm just guessing. About sums it up mate, yes. I don't like scenarios where fighters need to artificially bulk, or skim from their fighting weights, but I especially don't like the former. And who really knows what these guys are given, honestly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, 86 Hair Islands said: About sums it up mate, yes. I don't like scenarios where fighters need to artificially bulk, or skim from their fighting weights, but I especially don't like the former. And who really knows what these guys are given, honestly? I'm assuming even Benn and his team don't know which is why I think it comes across as genuine when they say they can't understand it. I guess they put the questions to the science guys who frankly have made sure Benn will always have accusations of being a drugs cheat leveled at him. Boxing is and always will be wild and lawless I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Jubbs said: Similarly in the opposite way is probably why Paddy Pimblett was on the Notable Clients list too. Paddy notoriously balloons in weight after a fight then loses loads of weight before a fight, there's no way doing that will not effect his testosterone levels, therefore he takes testosterone enhancement/replacement. I think Ricky Hatton also must have shoved some gear down him. They're cheating their bodies if nothing else. Footballers are not great examples but even here they have to keep themselves in shape during breaks. They are duty bound to be at a good weight and the vast majority work within that. I don't even know how drug tests work for footballers. I think it can be a random test at your club without warning? Boxing seems to have so many work arounds. Hit the juice for 6 weeks then come off it for 6 weeks so your sample is clean etc. Terrible really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Marshall vs Shields this weekend. Not gonna lie, looking forward to this a lot. Biggest fight in women's boxing for me right now and it should be a decent contest. There's real animosity between these two and I'd expect it to get pretty lively inside the O2. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/63208126 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Wilder want to fight AJ... In Africa... "I would love to do that fight in Africa," he told BBC Sport. "It's still the number one fight in the world for everyone. Everywhere I go, people always talk about me versus Joshua." "We both have roots from there," Wilder explained. Alph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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