Scott129 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 ..and have you watched it again on Ramsplayer? I've watched the first 45 and some of my harsher judgements made live really don't match up to the recorded material. I haven't actually. Maybe I should though... it feels wrong to criticise Sir Jake as much as I am doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 He plays a magnificent pass you should look out for at around 18:40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Lost everything in the air (something he's touted as being good at) and his reactions and general movement were slow as hell. Might be wrong with this one but was it not him who let Rosenborg go for their 2nd goal too? Don't get me wrong, I think he's a lot better than some people on here give him credit for, I just thought he was rubbish on Saturday. Agree with your first point, thought him and Keogh both lost a lot in the air in the first half against two small strikers. Second goal was down to Forsyth in my opinion, skinned way too easily and not much the defence could do when the cross was blasted across the edge of the six yard area. I personally thought Freeman, Hendrick, Hughes and Ward were all worse than Buxton and only thought Martin and Russell were stand out players. Always interesting to hear other peoples opinions, especially as that is the first match I have watched under no influence from alcohol for a very long time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastKentRam Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I naturally disagree.. I don't think we have a manager nor the players capable of winning more than we lose let alone make the top 6.. If you want to get excited by the season then by all means go for it, but don't criticise those that don't share your optimism.. Because that's what it is, pure optimism.. I've been on these boards since 2009 and every season under Clough I've read the same pre-season threads about how this is going to be our year, we're going to do this, that and the other, this striker is going to score X amount of goals, we're going to play like Brazil etc.. And the same thing has happened over the last few seasons.. We've been distinctly average and completely underwhelming in comparison to the noises coming out of PP.. It's like the typical 'England are going to do it this year' speech at every major tournament.. So forgive me if I don't share your optimism.. But I'll sit back, expect this season to be like any other under Clough, and hope for a miracle.. I do generally agree, although I do think there's far higher level of optimism this season, which is a good thing, as more people might start to realise we're not really going anywhere when we finish mid table once again. I can understand why people are more upbeat about this season, but I think you're wrong, plenty of other sides look far stronger. We would need a genius manager to work some magic for us to get top 6, if the last 5 seasons have proved anything, it is that we dont have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 He plays a magnificent pass you should look out for at around 18:40 The misconception that his distribution is poor goes back to his first season here, since then he has learned that he can't do Hollywood balls and 9 times out of 10 will give it to the nearest white shirt to him. Hardly ever gives the ball away in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Who are you refering to when you say 'them'? Can't be Burnley for instance, we haven't beaten them feckers at all during NC's reign and at home since 2007.. Also, refering to our home form? Is winning 12/23 or 52% of our home games really that impressive? We have the players to beat anyone in the NPC.. Whether we have the players to consistantly beat the other sides is a competely different matter. I'm pretty sure you know where I'm coming from on this Bris. There is no reason eleven men cannot beat eleven men. And yes, WINNING 52% is impressive. Especially if you haven't lost the other 48%. Don't assume because I disagree with your comment about the players' capabilities that I am against your overall opinion. I think our away record is disgraceful and as our home record is pretty good, I think the players cannot be blamed. That's where the coaching staff earn their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I do generally agree, although I do think there's far higher level of optimism this season, which is a good thing, as more people might start to realise we're not really going anywhere when we finish mid table once again. I can understand why people are more upbeat about this season, but I think you're wrong, plenty of other sides look far stronger. We would need a genius manager to work some magic for us to get top 6, if the last 5 seasons have proved anything, it is that we dont have that. How many Championship teams have you seen in pre-season out of interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott129 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Agree with your first point, thought him and Keogh both lost a lot in the air in the first half against two small strikers. Second goal was down to Forsyth in my opinion, skinned way too easily and not much the defence could do when the cross was blasted across the edge of the six yard area. I personally thought Freeman, Hendrick, Hughes and Ward were all worse than Buxton and only thought Martin and Russell were stand out players. Always interesting to hear other peoples opinions, especially as that is the first match I have watched under no influence from alcohol for a very long time! I'm going to have to disagree about your Keogh point though! I thought he was excellent, 2nd best player behind Martin for me. Won loads in the air and made a couple of great challenges. Covered for Bucko's and Freeman's mistakes well too. You're right though, it is interesting to hear other people's opinions on the same game. A couple of posters on here thought Martin was pretty bad on Saturday too! Madness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I'm pretty sure you know where I'm coming from on this Bris. There is no reason eleven men cannot beat eleven men. And yes, WINNING 52% is impressive. Especially if you haven't lost the other 48%. Don't assume because I disagree with your comment about the players' capabilities that I am against your overall opinion. I think our away record is disgraceful and as our home record is pretty good, I think the players cannot be blamed. That's where the coaching staff earn their money. Don't get me wrong, I know we can beat anyone in this league.. Even Leicester away and Burnley (anywhere) isn't out of our reach.. But then again you need to think are we capable of winning on a regular basis? Do you feel our squad should be good enough to win more than we lose? It would be interesting to know whether people genuinely believe we have a decent crop of players.. And where the squad will fall in line with others.. I mean, do you think we have a top 8 squad Mostyn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chellastonRam Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 I don't see how anyone can think bucko was the worst player on Saturday, Jamie ward did absolutely nothing all game. bucko keeps the ball 90% of the time, his positioning looked bad because he was covering for Forsyth. I agree his ariel ability was poor on Saturday, but he was no where near the worst player on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Don't get me wrong, I know we can beat anyone in this league.. Even Leicester away and Burnley (anywhere) isn't out of our reach.. But then again you need to think are we capable of winning on a regular basis? Do you feel our squad should be good enough to win more than we lose? It would be interesting to know whether people genuinely believe we have a decent crop of players.. And where the squad will fall in line with others.. I mean, do you think we have a top 8 squad Mostyn? I think we've always had a top 8 squad. Just not a top 8 mentality or manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I'm going to have to disagree about your Keogh point though! I thought he was excellent, 2nd best player behind Martin for me. Won loads in the air and made a couple of great challenges. Covered for Bucko's and Freeman's mistakes well too. You're right though, it is interesting to hear other people's opinions on the same game. A couple of posters on here thought Martin was pretty bad on Saturday too! Madness! I wasn't too impressed when we signed Martin but got to say he looked very good on Saturday. Excellent first touch and link up play with Russell. Could be a very good partnership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSheep Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I wasn't too impressed when we signed Martin but got to say he looked very good on Saturday. Excellent first touch and link up play with Russell. Could be a very good partnership.do you think he's dropping sammon then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 do you think he's dropping sammon then? Depends what you mean by dropping? He han't been starting with him to drop him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMuffin Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Sammon's not as good as Russell or Martin. Simples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott129 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Sammon seems to be more effective coming off the bench anyway, when he can harry and hassle tired defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Well its a long season and we may play differently home and away, sure all of our strikers will have a role to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsilks Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I think we've always had a top 8 squad. Just not a top 8 mentality or manager. Interesting how opinions differ. I don't even think we have a top half of the championship squad but we do have a very good manager who gets the best out of the very average players he has. Yes, he has brought those players in but you cannot get a lot workig with peanuts. I am however optimistic of another improvement this season and a top 10 finish is very possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalley Ram Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 First time poster, so I thought I'd express my views. I've been a long time reader of this forum and it is infuriating me with some of the stuff fans are coming out with. This is the most excited I have been for a derby season in years. We have a fantastic midfield, full of quality young, hungry players. Yes the defence may be questionable but I think bucks is criticised far too much. his passing against west brom was absolutely faultless. He was against 2 very very good strikers in a team that finished in the top ten last season,in the biggest league of all. NC took more years than this to establish a burton Albion team that finally gained league status. I just think a little bit of patience is in order. This is clough a team now, I can easily see us finishing in the top 6 this season. Our strike force will cause so many problems against most opposition this season. Johnny Russell looks to be a fantastic signing, his composure, control and balance on the ball is absolutely brilliant. Anyway I just believe fans need to stop criticising until the team has actually played a few games of competitive football this season. I was one if the biggest sammon haters last season but even he is looking sharp and fit for the games ahead. This is our year! COYR Welcome to the forum Chellaston Ram, I'm with you in thinking this could be a very exciting season. Only issue I have is that we seem a little lightweight when it comes to playing physical teams with big players, happened right through last season but I suppose I wouldn't really want to stifle our creativity for the sake of a bit of ugly play so roll on Sunday. C'mon ewe Rams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMuffin Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 That's what over a million get you these days. A player who is only effective when he's fresh against opposition who are knackered. A free transfer with adequate control and all round superior footballer is better business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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