Badlands Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 The opinion held by some fans who believe we have incredible support is the main arrogance among certain elements of our fanbase tbh. Our support is currently dire, both numbers and noise. However we have a good support hiding somewhere, it pops up 3 or 4 times a season.This gives me some hope that maybe we can consistently have good support like we did 5 or 6 years back. The easy way to improve the home atmosphere would be to sing simple pro derby songs, though why you would want to do that when you can sing about forest or lalalalalala your way through a match 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 The truth is we have supporters just like any other club in the country. No more loyal, no less committed, no less fanatical and no more in decline than any other club. We're just as likely as the next team to see attendances fluctuate based on how the club is performing and how much tickets cost relative to the quality of football on offer. People want to romanticise about full houses, singing ends, loyalty, commitment and unwavering support but look at the commercialisation of football and ultimately now we're just customers buying a product and are treated as such. And in those terms, should it really come as a surprise when fans view the club with the same contempt? Customers want a quality product that is value for money and that in turn engineers demand. Derby are falling short in that respect and there lies the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dave Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 The opinion held by some fans who believe we have incredible support is the main arrogance among certain elements of our fanbase tbh. Our support is currently dire, both numbers and noise. However we have a good support hiding somewhere, it pops up 3 or 4 times a season.This gives me some hope that maybe we can consistently have good support like we did 5 or 6 years back. The easy way to improve the home atmosphere would be to sing simple pro derby songs, though why you would want to do that when you can sing about forest or lalalalalala your way through a match 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> The attendances arent bad for championship football, we are second in average champ attendances only to brighton and the reason for that is they have had a new stadium. You have to expect attendances to fall slightly when leaps forward aren't taken. However the atmosphere this year at pride park has been very disappointing. Very little noise in comparison to previous seasons and can't put my finger on why that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Sorry mate, the numbers point was mainly to do with our away followings, our home support for numbers is decent given the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZoe Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 The truth is we have supporters just like any other club in the country. No more loyal, no less committed, no less fanatical and no more in decline than any other club. We're just as likely as the next team to see attendances fluctuate based on how the club is performing and how much tickets cost relative to the quality of football on offer. People want to romanticise about full houses, singing ends, loyalty, commitment and unwavering support but look at the commercialisation of football and ultimately now we're just customers buying a product and are treated as such. And in those terms, should it really come as a surprise when fans view the club with the same contempt? Customers want a quality product that is value for money and that in turn engineers demand. XXX are falling short in that respect and there lies the problem. This is one of the best put posts I have seen for ages. Forgive me the liberty Jourdan of replacing Derby with XXX but it is true for just about every team in the land, which is why I did it. The country as a whole is skint, and there's a whole other topic about work v benefits and disposable income. The PL is the ideal for any club in the Championship, purely because of the cash. That is what it boils down to. Go up, come right back down and the cash is still obscene in all honesty. The gap has done nothing but widen and widen since '92 and wil continue to do so. It's linked with crap England performances and will take 10-15 years to correct that, if acted upon now. Cash now, results now, **** the consequences. I am sure some of you have young lads who are fairly decent with a ball? If promising you'd encourage them I am sure. So DCFC school them, nuture them, and at 17 or 18 they SHOULD be in a youth or development squad, to learn. Not so, cos the big 4 are likely to sign em, DCFC get f all and in 80% of cases that is the last you will ever see that player. They are signed for feck all just in case they are good and haunt the better clubs, at a fraction of the price. Most will disappear, talent lost rather than loaned out to lower sides for match time and experience. Welcome to EPPP. Back door shoo'ed in,(by threat of holding back cash).... consequences will be felt in about 3-6 yrs. The 'game' as Jourdan says, is gone. There is still that hair up on the back of the neck stuff, and raw excitement, but less often. The days of good atmospheres for the average 'pleb' is almost gone. I may be a red dog, but laments are the same on there, and many other forums I frequent and post on. The general consensus is that football is now soul less, aand if you have a fat or deep wallet, you may get some pleasure when you sit in a warm and glass enclosed box. They will never walk to the ground with the smell of hot dogs and onions swirling around them, and frost nipping their toes. They will never sit (or stand) amongst fellow folks, wrapped up against the chill yet conversing as if they met daily. They will never have the hair on the back of their neck prickling in anticipation, nor appreciate the sniff of Bovril at the back of the stand. Yet they now rule the game. Savour your memories folks, you are but a tiny part in a corporate cog. We all are. Last weekends' revolt against ticket prices is but the beginning, we could do far worse than follow a Continental model. Safe Standing for one and decent ticket prices for another. I like the DCFC model for this (demand/supply) dynamic ticketing? Forgive me if I get the name wrong. In the next few yrs, we will see change, which way it will swing is yet to be decided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Daly Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I think many of us feel this way, and you are surely right that change will come. The groundswell isn't strong enough yet, but if Colonel Ghaddafi can be ousted, so can Sky. When I say ousted, I realise they won't just go away, but maybe the unhealthy balance between TV revenue, obscenely overpaid players, big 4 hegemony and the ordinary Joe's and Joanne's who pay for it all - increasingly resentfully - will shift. I don't know about you, but I almost never watch live premiership matches. I couldn't give a toss about it even though I have sky sports. If I could I would have a lower level of Sky sports, without the football, and pay less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Dour. Hendrick played well. Ward, Bryson and Sammon were ok. The rest weren't very good. Too many key players either unfit (Hughes, Bryson), or having a bad day (Coutts, Roberts, O'Brien, Keogh) meant we never really looked like winning. But the one pleasing thing to come out of the game is not losing. 18 months ago we'd have been rolled over after going a goal down. Clough seems to have instilled a 'if you can't win, don't lose' mentality, and it was on display on Saturday. Sammon is an interesting case, and he continues to split opinion. I thought he had a decent game on Saturday, but those around me absolutely slated him, particularly 1st half. It really got on my nerves, to the point where I wrote a blog about it - tinyurl.com/blxgtfn. I honestly can't think of that much else to add. McLeish has got them exactly how he wants them - big, organised and difficult to break down. They were winning the ball at the back and able to punt it forward to Sharp and Cox to chase. The game highlighted the need for a left back with pace. Freeman may be that person but I haven't seen enough of him to make a judgement. It probably would have been a good game for him on Saturday. And I think, barring some unbelieveable run from now until May, that'll be that. We're not close enough to the top six to make any significant investment in the squad, I don't think Hughes will be sold in Jan so we won't raise funds. We'll have this team, with maybe a few loans thrown in, for the rest of the season. Our aim now should be secure safety as early as possible, and get game time for Freeman, Lelan, Hoganson and Bennett. But those dirty b*stards. They just can't beat us, can they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddesdenRam Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Asanovic, just read your blog my friend and thought it was well written and you have sensible views on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Asanovic, just read your blog my friend and thought it was well written and you have sensible views on the matter. Thanks, appreciate you reading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddesdenRam Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Thanks, appreciate you reading it. Is there any way of me being updated every time you post a new blog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Is there any way of me being updated every time you post a new blog? Haven't quite worked that out yet. I'm on twitter (@gouloozer) so will tweet them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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