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Yep 🍻 For the first time we are now firmly in second and whoever wants to displace us has to exceed whatever we do. Keep wining and we can’t be touched.

I am supportive of Warne, I like the way he is so open but you are right, there is a missing element in the coaching. The old as the hills pass, move, make yourself available doesn’t seem to have the priority I would like. In his defence, many of our players are seasoned pros and should be doing more of it instinctively but for some reason or another …don’t. If we do do the hunting in packs power play, effectively, it’s less important to be so aware, but then to an extent the “quality” of football does decline.

That means no shots on target, zilch zero . Not difficult under those circumstances to deserve a win. Oh and guess what, Sibs can play wing back. He’s a good footballer and adapted well today. You’re damning by faint praise. None of us know where things will go, it may end up as a play off mud fight but regardless, we are second right now, second highest goal scorers, second tightest defence. Might be an idea if you looked to positives rather than waiting for the next poor result and thus prove whatever point it is you want to make.

I liked Liam, so positive and wanted us to play better football but “entertained ?” No way. It was pedestrian sidey backwards over coached caution .. now maybe that was about player ability and not Liams fault ? but the same conclusions with a different style can be applied to Warne. There have been in equal measure some entertaining performances but some flipping dire ones …. like most of last night…... We are so inconsistent it’s painful. Yet on the day I know these lads have it, but we just don’t see it often enough. Is it age or coaching or just flawed old champ players and others who are well … just L1 ?

Because he can control a ball, tried to link with Gayle and passed with at least a semblance of accuracy. Mind you it didn’t take much to stand out tonight

First 20 mins ok, set piece and Cash goal, nice. Bird and Cash standout players … as for the rest of the game ? Horrible horrible horrible. Head tennis, poor passing, the lack of basic ball control from so many players was embarrassing. Silly mistakes lost us that .. but was Joe outside the box when he fouled their man ? I guess I must have black and white glasses but he looked to be at least a foot outside his area at the moment it happened ? And their No 33 was a dirty cheating sod. However, none of that excuses the limited skills on show tonight. Need to get it sorted for Saturday. We are better than this.

Ok half but we need to play first touch more. Chalton don’t look to have much, if we upped the tempo they are there to be taken. On the ground lads please. Gayle looks deft, lost count of the times he’s been given the nudge in the back. Think he and Bird could really build something over the next few games.

I can’t complain as this year I am a senior so I think I will be paying less. 😊

I think you’re right. We get all techi about coaching, style, set up, philosophy whatever. Yet in the end so much more important is individual ability to consistently control the ball, pass accurately and anticipate situations. The level of those depends on what league you are in. We are where we are and play like it.

I think that’s the point when everyone gets pro or anti Warne. .. The poor passes, the missed opportunities. Is that really a lousy manager or coaching ethic ? Or is it just ability mixed with a rough day ? Anyway, tough game, got nothing, probably deserved a point, didn’t get one, neither did Bolton. That’s football. … need 3 next game. Not much else to say except Bradley has shed his whipping boy mantle, which poor effer is next I wonder ?

Yes, it probably was a dig. But so are the dire posts like January window debacle, or only scouting in Rotherham or abject failure to sign players or only signs ones that get crocked and all the mountain of spoil that comes from half a dozen posters who just can’t resist getting their JCB back hoe loaders out at soonest opportunity. It isn’t nice, probably not necessary but it is the Newtonian equal and opposite reaction.

It’s an interesting thing about aging strikers .. always looking for the half yard they haven’t got any longer, Collo, Benty and others I am sure, it just happens . Get caught offside not because they are daft, just hunters instincts I suppose

You knew about Dwight and you didn’t tell us .. spoil sport 🤪

It’s crazy, I know so little about him but if he’s got a touch, which it seems he has, then he will thrive with us. Bird, NML, Nyambe and others in our team have the ability to think fast and play the unusual ball. We have lacked players that can read these things and get on a wave length. From what others have said DG might be the man. Let’s get him fit, sharp and in the fight asap.

He’d better be good if he wants 33. As worn by St Curtis the brave.

I don’t think he’s wrapped anyone round his fingers. There isn’t one Warne supporter on here who thinks he’s Jim Smith or Brian Clough incarnate. Most of us who dismiss the pathetic unworthy criticisms aren’t wrapped round any fingers. There is the simple acknowledgment that we have a manager who is getting results. He isn’t running away with the league (no one is ! ) he does make mistakes (they all will) he has restricted choices but is playing his hand pretty well .. not exceptionally, not genius but he doing a job and developing the squad and tactics as the universe unfolds. He’s on target

What I liked was the bubbling enthusiasm and the way he said “me and I” rather than the usual pre scripted and instructed PC “we” That and the honesty that he recognised he’d been caught napping a couple of times and he needed to get sharper. That’s real. Really hope we can sign him properly.

I really believe today that the crowd got us over the line. All the players burned their reserves, the manager responded to leaks in the system but the whole ground lifted as the half progressed. The lads responded in kind, dug deep, kept trying - for themselves and us. It paid off. it wasn’t my choice of football style but circumstances dictate that sometimes and you just have to accept a poor hand. It’s was a grubby match but every player gave his all and Pride Park sensed it. Really pleased for Sibs, Adams is such an honest player, back 3 were all monumental. COYR.

Do you listen to anyone ? The academy was stripped of its best talent. The EFL are dictating who and what we can sign, our owner doesn’t have borrowed money to spend. Top line strikers or players in their prime are not available to teams in this position. We faced a physical team today and went face to face in the first half and kept them at bay. We then altered our set up and beat them. We did that with the help of a cracking crowd, a manager who was initially tentative because of player shortages in key positions but had the nous to have a plan B . We were all over them for the last 20. It wasn’t pretty for an hour, I didn’t enjoy the football but just maybe it was because we were playing cheating thugs. I wonder what would have happened if we’d been given a pen when Elder was bear hugged in the box as a cross came in ?

Yes it does … and why ? … because the “opposition” seem quite comfortable with using descriptions like clown, PE teacher, Small time manager. You reap what you sow. .There will always be an equal an opposite reaction. I get really stroppy these days and am considering bowing out because the anti Warne stuff from about half a dozen posters is so toxic and inaccurate, it disturbs my karma. I wonder if you would caution those who say clown or describe our manager as inept or make mockery of his desire to have honest players with heart and character rather than just money grabbers after a pay cheque Not having a go at you personally but just pointing out that it is a two way street. We were nearly gone 18 months ago. Now we are in second place and have just won 3 tough points with a fantastic supportive crowd, yet because of the dripping poison from a certain merry band this is a 10 year forum low for me. It isn’t about folk having ideas or opinions or differing views, it’s a mindset that’s ugly and needs to be challenged. So well done @Stive Pesley

Not in the context you are claiming. Oooh wait ! I can add one of those new trite little phrases .. Don’t “gaslight” me 🤣 What actually occurred was you said Warne was ok for a club with low to medium expectations. I disagreed and said that PW has been given a target of getting us promoted which is not a low medium expectation. I then added the FA cup comment as very obvious irony. .. very much as you did with your “lovely” jibe earlier in our spat. Pot and Kettle. Your misuse of straw man when I quite specifically addressed the points you raised just made me laugh. I have strong opinions and will voice them but despite a caustic tone at times, I always endeavour to address the argument another raises, so feel free to suggest I am dismissive and condescending (I probably meant to be ) but you can take your straw man and stuff it somewhere By all means have the last word, I am bored now and won’t bother responding 😘

Be careful someone will say your being condescending

And this isn’t rude and condescending ? I didn’t imagine a scenario, I challenged your assertion regarding low/medium expectations. I haven’t come across this facet of your character either.

Edgy about this one. Collo with a dodgy knee and no named back up. Barks maybe ? Physical opponents, tension in the crowd and two managers who know each other playing mind reading. We can win but need to use our skills to the full in order to do it. Will passes be crisp with us on the front foot ? Or will it be one of those flat days where we are 5% off it and the ball doesn’t bounce for us ? When Mac 1 was in full flight we had the odd poor game because opponents figured us out, with this team it’s like we go off the boil regardless - and unpredictably - despite what the other side does. Que sara sara COYR.

You’re not too bad at it yourself. I note you didn’t mention my argument. That’s being straw man ! . I defended my comment that you criticised, then gave an evidence to defend that rebuttal and then addressed your inaccurate contention of the low to medium expectation, with my counter contention. I think you need a dictionary before you start using trite newspeak phrases like strawman. Jargon is very tiresome especially when used incorrectly.