GSE should be ashamed.

[Stimacked]

The article on RAMZONE sums up how I feel and is worth reading

because it sums up why we need to back off Clough

whatever he says when under all this massive pressure

and reassess the situation for what it really is

Clough's name is being dragged through the mud

and it is GSE who have effectively let this happen.

If Clough Fails GSE Should Be Blamed & Ashamed!

Thu 10th Feb 2011 13:34 by Daniel J Sewart

http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/derbycounty/fb_news.php?storyid=11323

Now Nigel Clough has spoken it seems that if nothing else, it has only deepened division between fans and in turns the fans and their club. In a time when protest looms and stability was needed, somehow GSE have let things get even worse.

Before this thread is wiped and moved into oblivion on another 242349385938 page thread. Have a read.

In his radio interview yesterday Nigel Clough went to great lengths to once again re-iterate he does not take in media reaction and pretty much gave a picture of himself being nearly Amish in his self inflicted media black out.

I have no doubt shielding yourself from the media is certainly important when trying to be focussed in the modern, shallow world of football but totally sticking your head in the sand is another thing.

The one thing that has come out of all of this for me (and many have been saying this for a long time), is that the awareness and day to day management of the club is poor.

Cywka was no doubt the victim of a manager’s outburst but to me Clough has been the victim of GSE as far back as the day he first signed on as manager. It has been a financially abusive and irresponsible relationship ever since.

I have been an undoubted Clough supporter since day one, I wanted to believe in the romance of the situation but in recent days I began to waver. Not so much because of his comments but because of the way in which Nigel seemed to be losing his grip on things.

Today my opinion has adjusted again as once again as it seems he is once again being forced to the clubs dirty work for them.

The club should have issued the first media statement.

The club should have spoken first for both or better, with Cywka and Clough.

The club should have invested in a manager that has done what they asked and returned parity to the wage bill.

The Club should have seen this coming and assisted Clough in ensuring he had ample support in dealing with the media and his growing frustration.

The club should protect the legacy that they are destroying by allowing Clough to drag himself personally along with a name that the club holds higher than any other.

If Clough fails then GSE have failed as they should be doing everything in their power to make sure he succeeds by providing a support structure that made it near impossible to fail.

An experienced, proven assistant. Financial backing with a proven scouting system, focussed on finding the best players for the money available. And most importantly act as a shield for the manager in the media and help walk him through the best way to deal with the situation.

It is ok for Nigel to run things his way but the club could insist they provide high levels of support that any manager would find hard to refuse. That is what good businesses do. At the moment I do not see DCFC being run as a good business. This is scattergun, unorganised and unprofessional domino effect that has the potential to further scar a club that has been emotionally battered for far too long.

Fans are upset, fans are angry; fans are turning on their clubs players, their manager and each other.

No matter how much you might think Clough should go these actions will have effects that far outweigh sacking just any manager. DCFC and the closeness to the Clough family would be forever damaged.

That alone is worth a re-think of where the blame here should be levelled. If Nigel fails when the dust settles it will be a sad and unnecessary footnote to the pain of his father walking away many years ago.

By Wednesday Clough become a lead story on Sky sports, his comments were debated on football shows around the country and all because the club allowed the situation to grow legs and run. It is the club who are responsible for protecting their staff and shutting it down. They did not and look where we all are now.

Whether you think Cywka was treated unfairly, Clough was right, wrong or otherwise; the only thing that is 100% true is GSE has let everyone down.

They are letting our manager and squad self destruct in the national media and in the minds of fans. Good administration does not let that happen.

The return of Nigel Clough should be a romance decided entirely on his ability in managing players and bringing together a successful team.

He has had to make do in both areas with tools he may not necessarily choose if he had his own way. Now things are unravelling fans are turning on him faster than those that caused the lion’s share of the problem.

The romance is fading, the spark is nearly out and as is the case in many relationships a third party is to blame.

I love Derby County Football Club.

I want to believe in Nigel Clough.

I am angry.

You should be too.

It should never have come to this.

GSE should be ashamed.

[mcsilks]

My feeling exactly. What a great read.

I am angry reading this and getting more and more angry with each passing week.

I have supported the clubs owners since they took over but am gradually starting to move over to the dark side.

Clough however will hopefully come out of this sorry mess with his reputation still in tact as those in the know realise that his hands are tied. He is displaying great restraint and dignity with regard to his employers.

[ramblur]

My feeling exactly. What a great read.

I am angry reading this and getting more and more angry with each passing week.

I have supported the clubs owners since they took over but am gradually starting to move over to the dark side.

Clough however will hopefully come out of this sorry mess with his reputation still in tact as those in the know realise that his hands are tied. He is displaying great restraint and dignity with regard to his employers.

I suppose GSE can always look on the bright side.This affair has diverted attention away from a growing mood of discontent with their stewardship.

[VulcanRam]

Certainly the board should have given him better leverage financially, much of the rest of it is utter tosh.

The events of the last week are entirely of Nigel's making, no-one else. Every manager in the country gives interviews immediately after games. He could have come out, said something about a good away point, Steve Davies' goalscoring return and that would have been that.

His backroom staff are his to choose, he could bring in someone more experienced if he wanted to but he has stuck by Crosby and co. If this proves his downfall he will have no-one else to blame but himself.

As for transfer dealings, i have no idea whether it's GSE or Nigel, or a combination of both, that have failed. I suspect the latter.

You can't blame GSE for the negative tactics, poor use of subs, poor quality of the basics, playing people out of position, lack of spirit etc that we have seen for the last couple of months on the pitch.

I'm no great fan of GSE and I really want Nigel to succeed but in this mess everyone should take their fair share of responsibility - the board, the manager and the players.

[Stive Pesley]

Jesus christ on a motorbike - that was so badly written it made me wince

:eek:

I got the gist was GSE bad.. blah blah but the rest of it sounded like a 5 year old babbling about nothing

[WilkoRam]

Thank god for you Vulcan, I was beginning to think I was going mad.

If GSE had insisted on an experienced assistant then this would be interfering with how the manager wants to operate. Managers pick their own teams and when they dont it often causes issues as it shows a lack if trust. To blame GSE for the team Nigel chose is bizarre in my opinion. Same re scouting network. And also the media, your suggesting that Nigel isn't up to talking to the press and it's GSE's fault for not stopping him? The statement they put out from after the game never quoted Nigel's rant about Cywka and then a very polite statement from Cywka saying there is no problem. I'm not sure what else they could have done to try and put out fires.

[Stive Pesley]

Thank god for you Vulcan, I was beginning to think I was going mad.

If GSE had insisted on an experienced assistant then this would be interfering with how the manager wants to operate. Managers pick their own teams and when they dont it often causes issues as it shows a lack if trust. To blame GSE for the team Nigel chose is bizarre in my opinion. Same re scouting network. And also the media, your suggesting that Nigel isn't up to talking to the press and it's GSE's fault for not stopping him? The statement they put out from after the game never quoted Nigel's rant about Cywka and then a very polite statement from Cywka saying there is no problem. I'm not sure what else they could have done to try and put out fires.

Exactly – it’s a storm in a teacup at best.

No doubt that if GSE had stepped in and manipulated the situation as the illiterate 5 year old who wrote this piece seems to think that they should have then someone else would be moaning that GSE had “airbrushed the situationâ€...â€gagged Nigelâ€...â€put their Yankee spin on it†etc etc

I get that a lot of people want to have something/someone to blame, but the truth is that no one in this is perfect – and that includes the fans.

How would a bit less moaning and a bit more “supporting the team“ affect the situation?

[VulcanRam]

Thank god for you Vulcan, I was beginning to think I was going mad.

Always happy to oblige, Wilko

[Hartley Hare]

GSE should be ashamed.

No.

All these threads along a similar line seem to assume that Clough is some kind of passive cowardly character in the face of an oppressive GSE regime. I think we've all heard enough from him to assume that that isn't the case. Still going on about the "need" for a "proven assistant" - when has anyone heard Clough say that he wants to bring someone in but has been refused permission? Is there any suggestion that he's not happy with the level of support given to him by the club this week?

If he was the victim that some people seem to think he is (the quoted article even describes the relationship between GSE and Clough as "abusive" - really?!?!?!?) then I'm sure he'd have gone himself by now. GSE need Clough more than Clough needs GSE and if he needed us to support him in facing down GSE then he'd have asked us. What in fact he has asked us to do is to get behind the team and cheer them on, confidence is low and chants of discontent, even if aimed at the board, don't create an atmosphere conducive to confidence and assurance amongst the home team. Saturday is a home match - it should be to our advantage. If you want to make a noise on Saturday, get behind the players, we can be the 12th man but we've got to put the effort in that we demand of the 11 on the pitch. If people want to support Nigel Clough then the best way to do it is to do what he's asked. We've all heard this week how much he dislikes it when people fail to do the things he's repeatedly asked them to do, so why add to his frustration?

[PeteDerby]

Certainly the board should have given him better leverage financially, much of the rest of it is utter tosh.

The events of the last week are entirely of Nigel's making, no-one else. Every manager in the country gives interviews immediately after games. He could have come out, said something about a good away point, Steve Davies' goalscoring return and that would have been that.

His backroom staff are his to choose, he could bring in someone more experienced if he wanted to but he has stuck by Crosby and co. If this proves his downfall he will have no-one else to blame but himself.

As for transfer dealings, i have no idea whether it's GSE or Nigel, or a combination of both, that have failed. I suspect the latter.

You can't blame GSE for the negative tactics, poor use of subs, poor quality of the basics, playing people out of position, lack of spirit etc that we have seen for the last couple of months on the pitch.

I'm no great fan of GSE and I really want Nigel to succeed but in this mess everyone should take their fair share of responsibility - the board, the manager and the players.

Utter tosh, sir!

[WilkoRam]

Sorry Pete are you saying Vulcan is speaking utter tosh or that you're agreeing that the post he is referring to is utter tosh? If the former then it smacks a little of hypocrisy.

[sage]

Sorry Pete are you saying Vulcan is speaking utter tosh or that you're agreeing that the post he is referring to is utter tosh? If the former then it smacks a little of hypocrisy.

I agree with Pete. More stating opinion as fact.

[WilkoRam]

So to be clear you don't think the first post is stating opinion as fact?

[sage]

So to be clear you don't think the first post is stating opinion as fact?

I was referring to the poster saying he has no idea who is to blame then saying he suspects NC. Blatant attempt to state opinion as fact to support his theory.

[WilkoRam]

I was referring to the poster saying he has no idea who is to blame then saying he suspects NC. Blatant attempt to state opinion as fact to support his theory.

Can you just quote me who said that please, having difficulty finding it. I can find someone saying everyone should take a portion of blame but as of yet nothing that says they don't know who to blame but suspect NC

[Hartley Hare]

Certainly the board should have given him better leverage financially, much of the rest of it is utter tosh.

The events of the last week are entirely of Nigel's making, no-one else. Every manager in the country gives interviews immediately after games. He could have come out, said something about a good away point, Steve Davies' goalscoring return and that would have been that.

His backroom staff are his to choose, he could bring in someone more experienced if he wanted to but he has stuck by Crosby and co. If this proves his downfall he will have no-one else to blame but himself.

As for transfer dealings, i have no idea whether it's GSE or Nigel, or a combination of both, that have failed. I suspect the latter.

You can't blame GSE for the negative tactics, poor use of subs, poor quality of the basics, playing people out of position, lack of spirit etc that we have seen for the last couple of months on the pitch.

I'm no great fan of GSE and I really want Nigel to succeed but in this mess everyone should take their fair share of responsibility - the board, the manager and the players.

I think the section marked in bold may be the portion in question.....?

[sage]

I think the section marked in bold may be the portion in question.....?

That is correct.

[VulcanRam]

I think the section marked in bold may be the portion in question.....?

how is that stating anything as fact?

It is my opinion that between them, GSE and Nigel have failed in the transfer market, and that neither can be solely to blame. No "fact" stated there, only my suspicion.

[VulcanRam]

Utter tosh, sir!

ha ha, touche Pete! (I presume that was a little nod to our earlier exchange on another thread)

[The Ram]

Certainly the board should have given him better leverage financially, much of the rest of it is utter tosh.

The events of the last week are entirely of Nigel's making, no-one else. Every manager in the country gives interviews immediately after games. He could have come out, said something about a good away point, Steve Davies' goalscoring return and that would have been that.

His backroom staff are his to choose, he could bring in someone more experienced if he wanted to but he has stuck by Crosby and co. If this proves his downfall he will have no-one else to blame but himself.

As for transfer dealings, i have no idea whether it's GSE or Nigel, or a combination of both, that have failed. I suspect the latter.

You can't blame GSE for the negative tactics, poor use of subs, poor quality of the basics, playing people out of position, lack of spirit etc that we have seen for the last couple of months on the pitch.

I'm no great fan of GSE and I really want Nigel to succeed but in this mess everyone should take their fair share of responsibility - the board, the manager and the players.

Spot on assesment and I agree with this.