Alph Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Just think back to the squad Nigel inherited. Let's be honest, they weren't heading for promotion were they? They were on a friggin fortune though. Has he made us worse? Or has he got us operating on a sound footing. Shed the ***** we were carrying. Mo Camara Andy Todd Paris Simmons Mile Sterjovski Tyrone Mears Emanuel Villa Liam Dickinson Roy Carroll Lewin Nyatanga Claude Davis MArtin Albretchsen Jordan Stewart Giles Barnes Ruben Zadkovich Aleksandr Prijovic Darren Powell. Paul Connolly Jay Mac Gary Teale Lee Hendrie Just to give some perspective of the high earning squad that he came to. Can people see the vast task he had. The way some people talk about Nigel Clough you'd think he'd taken over a team on the verge of breaking in the Premier League. The ones that saw the PL got battered weekly and the ones that were brought to take us back there were fighting a relegation battle at the foot of the Championship. I'm not here saying Nigel is faultless. But look at the situation he came into. Lets just try and get some perspective here. We weren't very good when he got here. 5 points clear of relegation when Jewell resigned i think i read. 5 points clear of relegation when Jewell resigned and with gigantic squad on some pretty ridiculous wages. I find it impossible to see how Nigel Clough can be criticised for what he's done at Derby. WE ARE NO WORSE OFF. Some might say we're not much better off. Well, maybe that's a good point. Then it's about opinions on whether we're just a few players away from being succesful or whether Nigel has got a long long way to go. Looking at what we're capable of (during our good run) i'd say we're not too far. Looking at our bad runs, i'd say what Nigel does next in terms of signings is how he will be measured in terms of acheivement. (providing he gets investment.) I can understand the jury being out on Nigel Clough. He's yet to prove his team is better than what he began with. IMO it plays better football. It looks more promising. But how can people be wanting him gone? Has he not achieved enough at Derby to deserve some investment? And possibly a little more time? It's all about opinions on how much time he needs. But it's a bit unfair to expect him to get rid of that lot above and replace them with much, much better squad in the time he's had and with the money he's spent. Give him more time and a little cash. Then we can see what he's made of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Mo Camara Andy Todd Paris Simmons Mile Sterjovski Tyrone Mears Emanuel Villa Liam Dickinson Roy Carroll Lewin Nyatanga Claude Davis MArtin Albretchsen Jordan Stewart Giles Barnes Ruben Zadkovich Aleksandr Prijovic Darren Powell. Paul Connolly Jay Mac Gary Teale Lee Hendrie Cor! there's more ***** there than in a sewage farm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshaw_Ram Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I'd take back Lewin and Mears... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Clough signed Hendrie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramalama Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Savage Hulse Commons were here. mears jumped out the window when Jewellio was in charge. We were good enough to beat Man You 1-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Dunno why Nyatanga faded to obscurity. He was a fans favourite for a while. And for the record, I liked Barnes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramalama Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 ...Addison, Varney, Green, Davies, Barazite, how much research went into this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 5 points clear of relegation when Jewell resigned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramalama Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 2 years later and we're 8 points clear of relegation, that's progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 ...Addison, Varney, Green, Davies, Barazite, how much research went into this? Think you might be missing my point. Addison Varney Green and Davies still Derby players aren't they? So as far as i know Nigel hasn't got rid of Addison and Green and Davies because their not crap. Or at least not as crap as Zadkovich and Sterjovski. Barazite? The loanee?? But like is said. Your missing my point. I'm not running a newspaper story on transfers. I'm pointing out some of the gems we had that Nigel has tossed aside to replace them with "non league players". That have put the club on a better footing and still kept us compettitive. I'm pointing out the situation we was in before Nigel came. Is he really doing such a bad job. Really?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramalama Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Pearson and Savage were, and still are crap, yet they're still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 So your saying Nigel hasn't got rid of enough poor players? So you'd like our squad to get a bit smaller? 2 seasons ago was the squad worse or better than it is now? Add Commons (who chose to leave) Hulse (who i agree should still be here) to your thoughts too if you want. Are we better or worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex W Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Pearson and Savage were, and still are crap, yet they're still here. Savage was not crap after being revived by Clough, and last season was incredibly important for us. Pearson is finally showing promise, and last season did a job as a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramalama Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Looking again that is a pretty horrific list of players, I'll give you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorecambeRam Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Good post Alpha just shows how hard its been for NC and the board we need stability and time not knee jerk actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramalama Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Post up the whole squad, out of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 I'm not suggesting Nigel has taken us very far on the pitch since he began. Off the pitch he's been very busy. And in financially has done brilliantly. On the pitch, not a lot has happened. If you ignore the promising signs of that purple patch (and/or some of the football we still glimpse occasionally) then he's achieved nothing at all on the pitch. I would of thought that this would suggest he deserves a bit of time with a bit more freedom financially. Sure, he'll take the wage bill a bit higher. But not as high as it was and i think it'd be quite nice to see what we get for our money. I think he's earned a bit of cash from the board considering what he's put back in. Just give him half the freedom that Jewell had. He might be able to at least get sacked knowing he gave his best shot. Rather than brought in to pick up Jewells mess. Personally i think he's more more grounded than Jewell (isn't Bullard on a fortune at Ipswich now???). And would do a better job with a fraction of the wage bill Jewell had. He certainly can match Jewell with the wage bill now in terms of performance. I'm not suggesting Nigel is Brian Clough reborn. He's his own man. Just think he needs a fairer shot imo. Trying to give another perspective. Not get a statue of the man built outside shop dcfc. Maybe the name "Clough" is just buying him the time that no other manager would have got and the time that this sort of task needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ram Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Players including loans that have come and gone :eek: Jan 2011 Moxey Commons Aug 2010 Hulse 2010 Connolly McEveley Teale Hendrie Price Prijovic 2009-2010 Zadkovich Barnes Stewart Davis Beardsley Albrechtsen Carroll Nyatanga Dickinson Villa Mears Sterjovski Todd Simmons 2008-2009 Tomkins Hines Camara Powell Pereplotkin Stubbs Mills Robert Lewis Feilhaber Moore Fagan Jones Earnshaw Miller Holmes Edworthy Ghaly Johnson Hinchcliffe LOAN PLAYERS GONE BACK: 2010 Moore Fielding Kuqi Noble Tonge Hunt Sunu Martin (GK) Vidal Campbell Johnson 09-10 Dickov Livermore Stoor Vaughan Hughes 08-09 Barazite Bannan Ellington Eustace Kazmierczak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 The end of season (where Jewell left and Nigel took over) squad is here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_Derby_County_F.C._season Not sure how accurate dates are on wikipedia. But it says when the players arrived. So the squad that Nigel inherited is all those except Chris Porter? Having said that, maybe Nigel isn't so adept in the loan market? But certainly, at worse, we've only stood still since he took over. Some people can argue we've advanced. But then some will say we're STILL near relegation zone except with a lower wage bill. Maybe now Nigel has cleaned up Jewells mess. The board need to either let him of the leash a bit. Or sack him and thank him for cleaning up. Then allow another manager some freedom. Doesn't really seem fair to sack him. But keeping him on that leash?? well, that'd be fine. But we don't seem to be making fast enough progress for our fans. So it's decision time for the Board imo. Not saying their money grabbing yanks or whatever. Just now is the time to be a little bit less sensible perhaps?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ram Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 My view is that we should stop taking on loan players. I'd then like to see Academy players used, especially on the subs bench. Of players Clough has signed, I'd like to see them succeed, so it is about time he gave them a run out! Success so far: = John Brayford Shaun Barker Disappointments so far: = Gareth Roberts Steve Davies Lee Croft Russell Anderson David Martin Luke Varney Chris Porter Not sure 50/50: = James Bailey Tomasz Cywka Saul Deeney Conor Doyle Ben Pringle Jake Buxton Ben Davies Loans so not worth it imo: Alberto Bueno (add Kuqi and Moore who unless we signed them it is NOT worth the trouble) Overall Clough has had to offload massive amounts of players, fair enough, yet there are only 2 of his signings (imo) that have been successful. I am not happy with Clough and after Saturdays attack on Tomasz Cywkwa I don't think he is worthy of being manager of DCFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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