The Politics Thread 2019

[GboroRam]

4 minutes ago, Curtains said:

And it’s not Labour after they have crashed the economy.

NHS relies on a good thriving economy.

Have you checked out the employment figures lately. 

Doesn't matter if the economy is booming or not if we've sold it off to the yanks. Better have a lot of money, or hope you don't get sick!

[Sith Happens]

6 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

I’ve never really understood the term ‘champagne socialist’. It suggests that you’re supposed to lose your morals once you reach a certain tax bracket.

Its true. The first time i had to pay 40 pence in the pound my morals were totally lost. I went to watch forest play.

Disclaimer,  some of the above may not be true 

[Curtains]

4 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

Doesn't matter if the economy is booming or not if we've sold it off to the yanks. Better have a lot of money, or hope you don't get sick!

There is no proof in those documents Corbyn held up today. 
 

Bloody hell man. 

PS The Labour were moaning about the Tories not negotiating trade deals for post Brexit  

What hypocrites 

 

[Comrade 86]

11 minutes ago, Curtains said:

Have you checked out the employment figures lately. 

Have you? Nearly 8% isn't it? Hardly a sign of a thriving economy one would think. Neither is the fact that the national debt has nearly doubled since 2010.

What signs of a thriving economy are you referring to @Curtains?

[GboroRam]

9 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

I’ve never really understood the term ‘champagne socialist’. It suggests that you’re supposed to lose your morals once you reach a certain tax bracket.

It's for some reason the common belief that you can't oppose inequality if you're on the lucky side of the street, and you should give all your worldy possessions away and wear sackcloth and sandals. It's disingenuous because true socialists oppose the system that causes the inequality, not rich people.

[Uptherams]

4 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

I doubt any of those policies will make much difference considering their position in the polls... 4% ain't changing nothing, sadly, as I'd like the Greens to actually be able to change some things.

If the Conservatives were guaranteed to win, the Brexit party and Lib Dems would be neck and neck for third highest vote share. Don't ignore everything that has happened in the last few months. Most recently, the Brexit party standing down in hundreds of seats all around the country.

[GboroRam]

1 minute ago, Uptherams said:

If the Conservatives were guaranteed to win, the Brexit party and Lib Dems would be neck and neck for third highest vote share. Don't ignore everything that has happened in the last few months. Most recently, the Brexit party standing down in hundreds of seats all around the country.

I agree with that. Lets see what Boris' refusal to debate, plus the unveiling of his attempts to flog off the NHS have on his popularity.

4% is meaningless. Might as well stay at home than vote Brexit party.

[Sith Happens]

6 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

Doesn't matter if the economy is booming or not if we've sold it off to the yanks. Better have a lot of money, or hope you don't get sick!

Genuine question.

Its clear you don't trust the Conservatives with the Nhs,  thats fine we all have opinions, but what is your view of the Conservative introduced cancer drugs fund?

[Curtains]

7 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said:

Have you? Nearly 8% isn't it? Hardly a sign of a thriving economy one would think. Neither is the fact that the national debt has nearly doubled since 2010.

What signs of a thriving economy are you referring to @Curtains?

https://ig.ft.com/sites/numbers/economies/uk/

 

Checkout the employment figures for one 

Inflation and productivity 

Base rate also  

 

[GboroRam]

1 minute ago, Paul71 said:

Genuine question.

Its clear you don't trust the Conservatives with the Nhs,  thats fine we all have opinions, but what is your view of the Conservative introduced cancer drugs fund?

A fund for cancer drugs is a fine introduction. If you don't starve the rest of the NHS at the same time. The NHS needs funding, and this government has not spent money on it to keep it to the standards we need it to operate at. Listen to the staff in the NHS, not politicians - they'll tell you that the NHS is being killed by underfunding.

[maxjam]

7 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

4% is meaningless. Might as well stay at home than vote Brexit party.

DUP got 0.9% of the vote last time around, yet they handed Tories the power. 

Who knows how this vote will turnout, but the BP might be in a similar position.

[Curtains]

7 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

A fund for cancer drugs is a fine introduction. If you don't starve the rest of the NHS at the same time. The NHS needs funding, and this government has not spent money on it to keep it to the standards we need it to operate at. Listen to the staff in the NHS, not politicians - they'll tell you that the NHS is being killed by underfunding.

I have been sick and in hospital before and I got great treatment

You would think it didn’t work at all  to listen to Labour. 
 

Question is money ever wasted  in the NHS on unnecessary things. 
 

NHS doctors also do private operations is that bad for them or good and is it always bad for patients 
 

[Uptherams]

4 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

I agree with that. Lets see what Boris' refusal to debate, plus the unveiling of his attempts to flog off the NHS have on his popularity.

4% is meaningless. Might as well stay at home than vote Brexit party.

LOL. You would believe anything. The only thing the US wants is better access to our market. The NHS is not up for sale. 

A deal is about more private medical facilities, completely independent of the NHS. Greater access to sell drugs to us. Greater access to sell products to us. This lie people keep flogging is disgraceful. 

It's a national poll in which most seats they are not standing. They will get triple that in many seats. Is that so hard to understand? 

[Sith Happens]

7 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

A fund for cancer drugs is a fine introduction. If you don't starve the rest of the NHS at the same time. The NHS needs funding, and this government has not spent money on it to keep it to the standards we need it to operate at. Listen to the staff in the NHS, not politicians - they'll tell you that the NHS is being killed by underfunding.

 

3 minutes ago, Curtains said:

I have been sick and in hospital before and I got great treatment

You would think it didn’t work at all  to listen to Labour. 
 

Question is money ever wasted  in the NHS on unnecessary things. 

Me too Curtains,  i agree for me the NHS has been fantastic.

I asked the question about the cancer drugs fund,  because as far as i know it wouldn't have existed under labour, but that doesn’t mean something else wouldn't have i dont know.

The NHS is broken and i don't think any government will solve it soon because the public,  or some,  don't take any responsibility.

I know this is probably best discussed elsewhere but i really don't see how any government is going to make the NHS perfect when we are spending 5 billion a year on obesity related conditions,  were East Midlands ambulance replace ALL their 250 plus fleet with ambulances with ones that carry people 50 stone plus.

Is it the NHS thats broken or society?  

[Comrade 86]

3 minutes ago, Curtains said:

https://ig.ft.com/sites/numbers/economies/uk/

 

Checkout the employment figures 

 

Check out the U6 rate not the Tory massaged U3 rate. It's more than double the U3 rate in case you're interested. And have you actually looked at the page you've linked? Do you see amongst the myriad of indices any firm indicators that the UK economy is even buoyant, let alone thriving?

How about the national debt under the Conservatives? Here's some headline facts about the growth of the debt after Blojo who in case you've forgotten, got absolutely roasted for suggesting that the Conservative Party has “tackled the debt and the deficit” left by the last Labour government, despite the fact the national debt has spiralled to almost £1.8 trillion since 2010.

In 2005 the UK National Debt was less that £0.5 trillion. But then came the worldwide financial crisis of 2008 and subsequent recession. The National Debt increased rapidly and went over £1 trillion in 2011 and over £1.5 trillion in 2016. At the end of March 2019 the National Debt was £1.80 trillion.

In terms of Gross Domestic Product the UK National Debt in 2005 was about 38 percent of GDP.

But in the last ten years, in the wake of the Crash of 2008 and subsequent recession, the National has doubled to over 80 percent GDP, but is leveling out as a percent of GDP. At the end of March 2019 the National Debt was 84.6 percent of GDP.

So I'll ask again - what evidence do you have that the economy is 'thriving'?

[GboroRam]

6 minutes ago, Uptherams said:

LOL. You would believe anything. The only thing the US wants is better access to our market. The NHS is not up for sale. 

A deal is about more private medical facilities, completely independent of the NHS. Greater access to sell drugs to us. Greater access to sell products to us. This lie people keep flogging is disgraceful. 

It's a national poll in which most seats they are not standing. They will get triple that in many seats. Is that so hard to understand? 

I know how to read a graph. That direction of travel isn't the way to success.

I don't trust Farage, and I don't trust Boris. Access to US markets at what cost? We've already been told that increased medicine costs will be on the cards, and we know that Trump has already said he wants the US private companies to have access to the NHS markets.

Colour me sceptical but I don't want any of that. 

[Curtains]

5 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said:

Check out the U6 rate not the Tory massaged U3 rate. It's more than double the U3 rate in case you're interested. And have you actually looked at the page you've linked? Do you see amongst the myriad of indices any firm indicators that the UK economy is even buoyant, let alone thriving?

How about the national debt under the Conservatives? Here's some headline facts about the growth of the debt after Blojo who in case you've forgotten, got absolutely roasted for suggesting that the Conservative Party has “tackled the debt and the deficit” left by the last Labour government, despite the fact the national debt has spiralled to almost £1.8 trillion since 2010.

In 2005 the UK National Debt was less that £0.5 trillion. But then came the worldwide financial crisis of 2008 and subsequent recession. The National Debt increased rapidly and went over £1 trillion in 2011 and over £1.5 trillion in 2016. At the end of March 2019 the National Debt was £1.80 trillion.

In terms of Gross Domestic Product the UK National Debt in 2005 was about 38 percent of GDP.

But in the last ten years, in the wake of the Crash of 2008 and subsequent recession, the National has doubled to over 80 percent GDP, but is leveling out as a percent of GDP. At the end of March 2019 the National Debt was 84.6 percent of GDP.

So I'll ask again - what evidence do you have that the economy is 'thriving'?

The economy is thriving despite having to be rebuilt by the Tories after the crash. 
 

You chose to believe what you like .

You will bring up homeless and foodbanks next .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/28/britains-economy-set-boom-become-largest-europe-brexit/

[sonofmidnight]

 I went to a very interesting lecture yesterday by a researcher and lecturer at the Charles Clifford Dental hospital in Sheffield. It was amazing how technology has improved dentures, prosthesis, implants etc but this is purely in the private sector.  According to him dental technology is still at the level of the 1970s on the NHS.  So the technology is there and quite frankly amazing but only if you can afford it or are used for research purposes . This is really appalling. As regards dental care, research has proved that gum disease can be a factor in both heart and kidney disease so keeping the nations teeth in good health is vitally important.Many people have no access to NHS dentistry and cannot afford private treatment. This needs to change. Scrap HS2 save the nations teeth!

[Comrade 86]

6 minutes ago, Curtains said:

The economy is thriving despite having to be rebuilt by the Tories after the crash. 
 

You chose to believe what you like .

You will bring up homeless and foodbanks next .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/28/britains-economy-set-boom-become-largest-europe-brexit/

So you're saying now that homeless figures and the increased usage of foodbanks, even  by those in full-time employment should be ignored? Can you explain why?

The article you've linked, by the way, states, on some rather flimsy if not downright misleading premises, that the economy WILL BOOM, not IS BOOMING.

[Curtains]

Just now, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said:

So you're saying now that homeless figures and the increased usage of foodbanks, even  by those in full-time employment should be ignored? Can you explain why?

The article you've linked, by the way, states, on some rather flimsy if not downright misleading premises, that the economy WILL BOOM, not IS BOOMING.

Notice you missed out about other European Countries being worse than the UK. 
 

Typical Labour man saying I don’t care about the homeless and food banks. 

Of course I care I often give a few pennies to the homeless in Derby. 

Labour don’t have a divine right to care and rich people often give to charity .

I wonder how npmuch Corbyn donates. 

I reiterate a successful economy will help the homeless and food bank use. 
 

Labour and Corbyn would trash the economy.