Inglorius Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Just now, ossieram said: How do you know what was offered? Or are you another know nothing know all who likes to invent facts? Why else would Lampard have turned it down then. QED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Inglorius said: Ipswich would have offered him a salary commensurate with a total football league management rookie with zero exerperience of managing a football league team If we ignore the assumption that Ipswich offered a competitive salary for the role, if Lampard politely declined that offer, how does that = screwing them over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 minute ago, David said: If we ignore the assumption that Ipswich offered a competitive salary for the role, if Lampard politely declined that offer, how does that = screwing them over? He turned it down as he wanted more money as his vast football league managerial pedigree should command Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Inglorius said: Why else would Lampard have turned it down then. QED. Perhaps he spoke with their board and wasn't impressed with what they told him and decided it wasn't for him. Not all decisions have to be money related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Inglorius said: He turned it down as he wanted more money as his vast football league managerial pedigree should command Whether you're right or wrong, declining a job offer that you feel undervalued by is not screwing anyone over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Inglorius said: He turned it down as he wanted more money as his vast football league managerial pedigree should command Still doesn’t mean he screwed them over, any manager/player is allowed to negotiate a deal that they are comfortable with. For all you know the stumbling block could have been the number of years on the contract, loyalty bonuses, compensation, transfer budget. More to a contract than just the weekly wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 minute ago, SaintRam said: Whether you're right or wrong, declining a job offer that you feel undervalued by is not screwing anyone over. How can you feel undervalued when you have zero football management experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, Inglorius said: Why else would Lampard have turned it down then. QED. The rumours were he was offered 300k a year- Mick McCarthy was on 1m. Turning that down is sensible, not screwing anyone over. I wouldn’t take a job knowing my predecessor in the role had been on 3 times as much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 I think what made him turn down Ipswich was when the board said "you've got more money than us Frank and will have to pay for your own players" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Screwed over? Methinks you're confusing Lampard with Roger Twaty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Inglorius said: How can you feel undervalued when you have zero football management experience I'd feel undervalued if I got offered minimum wage for a job I have no experience in - because I feel like the experience I have in the jobs I have done are somewhat transferable, and I believe in my ability to adapt. Am I screwing a potential employer over by declining that offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: The rumours were he was offered 300k a year- Mick McCarthy was on 1m. Turning that down is sensible, not screwing anyone over. I wouldn’t take a job knowing my predecessor in the role had been on 3 times as much Not when you have zero years experience managing a football club and the predecessor many, many years. Have you never seen a job advertisement stating salary is DOE dependant on experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Just now, SaintRam said: I'd feel undervalued if I got offered minimum wage for a job I have no experience in - because I feel like the experience I have in the jobs I have done are somewhat transferable, and I believe in my ability to adapt. Am I screwing a potential employer over by declining that offer? That would depend on whether or not you are @Inglorius choice for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Inglorius said: Not when you have zero years experience managing a football club and the predecessor many, many years. Have you never seen a job advertisement stating salary is DOE dependant on experience? No-ones saying that Ipswich were *wrong* to offer him a low amount. But him declining that offer is not "screwing them over". That implies that his declination of that offer has been a huge setback for them, which is silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 minute ago, SaintRam said: I'd feel undervalued if I got offered minimum wage for a job I have no experience in - because I feel like the experience I have in the jobs I have done are somewhat transferable, and I believe in my ability to adapt. Am I screwing a potential employer over by declining that offer? Your potential employer will judge whether your skills are intertransferable then dependant on their opinion offer a starting salary accordingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Inglorius said: Not when you have zero years experience managing a football club and the predecessor many, many years. Have you never seen a job advertisement stating salary is DOE dependant on experience? You are still assuming it is all about the money and not the lack of ambition shown by Ipswich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Inglorius said: Not when you have zero years experience managing a football club and the predecessor many, many years. Have you never seen a job advertisement stating salary is DOE dependant on experience? Not that dependant it isn’t. Can understand offering him lower wages but that would put him among the lowest earners in the Division, no way would he, or should he, take that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Just now, SaintRam said: No-ones saying that Ipswich were *wrong* to offer him a low amount. But him declining that offer is not "screwing them over". That implies that his declination of that offer has been a huge setback for them, which is silly. Am not sure how he would have benchmarked his acceptable starting salary given he can't compare himself to other football league managers who DO have management experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northantsram Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 I think everybody is forgetting that the Ipswich job would probably be slightly more risky than Derbys.. a younger and inferior squad with a lot smaller budget.. Probably that will be more important to Frank than how much he's getting paid .. he doesn't need the money, we all know he wants to be chelsea / England manager one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Screwing them over would have been to have taken their offer, kissed the badge during the announce, then shipping out their best young players, all the while batting his eyelids at Norwich.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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