StringerBell Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 “I am not asking for more money, I believe I am very well paid already” - Carrie Gracie. They saw her coming a mile away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 35 minutes ago, StringerBell said: I don’t think you’re in any position to imply that I don’t understand why it happens if you think the only biological difference between men and women is what’s in their pants. So which biological differences enable men to be better television presenters, justifying their superior salary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, Lambchop said: So which biological differences enable men to be better television presenters, justifying their superior salary? Who said anything about being better? There could well be some tbh, I find it difficult to imagine a female Clarkson. But we were talking about salary negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 hours ago, StringerBell said: we were talking about salary negotiations. Indeed, and you were using it as yet another opportunity for expressing your extreme and irrational views on gender. On 26/01/2018 at 11:35, StringerBell said: A win for the gender communists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, Lambchop said: Indeed, and you were using it as yet another opportunity for expressing your extreme and irrational views on gender. Yeah being pro-meritocracy (that’s pro-white supremacist capitalist patriarchy to you) and opposed to communism is a really extreme position to hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Lambchop said: Indeed, and you were using it as yet another opportunity for expressing your extreme and irrational views on gender. I think your views are extreme, to be honest. It really isn't as simple as you seem to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete2 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 5 hours ago, Lambchop said: So which biological differences enable men to be better television presenters, justifying their superior salary? Deeper voices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 47 minutes ago, PistoldPete2 said: Deeper voices. Don’t, you’ll start her off. It’s sexist to prefer deeper voices apparently. http://time.com/4268325/history-calling-women-shrill/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 6 hours ago, StringerBell said: Who said anything about being better? There could well be some tbh, I find it difficult to imagine a female Clarkson. But we were talking about salary negotiations. It's regrettable there is such a thing as a male Clarkson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 hours ago, StringerBell said: Yeah being pro-meritocracy (that’s pro-white supremacist capitalist patriarchy to you) and opposed to communism is a really extreme position to hold. It isn’t a meritocracy though, that’s the whole frigging point, it’s just a massive old boys network; that’s how our country is run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Norman said: I think your views are extreme, to be honest. It really isn't as simple as you seem to believe. You think it’s extreme to expect some semblance of equality of opportunity in employment, and some parity of reward for people doing similar jobs? In that case the laws of our land are extreme and anyone who wishes to see them adhered to is an extremist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 33 minutes ago, Lambchop said: It isn’t a meritocracy though, that’s the whole frigging point, it’s just a massive old boys network; that’s how our country is run. You’re talking about ‘discrimination’ against privileged middle/upper class women. They’re part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 38 minutes ago, Lambchop said: You think it’s extreme to expect some semblance of equality of opportunity in employment, and some parity of reward for people doing similar jobs? In that case the laws of our land are extreme and anyone who wishes to see them adhered to is an extremist. Yes we’ve had laws to protect people from being denied that since the 1970’s. Only in certain top highly skilled jobs people are free to negotiate their own salary, which is what you’re talking about. So why are you disengenously conflating the two? It is pretty extreme to, at best, exert social pressure on people, and at worst flat out deny people their economic freedom so that all the numbers on your balance sheet add up, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 1 hour ago, StringerBell said: You’re talking about ‘discrimination’ against privileged middle/upper class women. They’re part of it. Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 8 hours ago, Lambchop said: It isn’t a meritocracy though, that’s the whole frigging point, it’s just a massive old boys network; that’s how our country is run. Bit of an old boys club on this forum, watch them all come out and deny it. Actually they won't come out, they will make some whack statement, may provide a link to some obscure and ancient text, or make a statement without any factual background, and expect you to find the facts. Think I have covered most of them. PS if the hat fits, or you like hooks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 29 minutes ago, McRamFan said: Bit of an old boys club on this forum, watch them all come out and deny it. Actually they won't come out, they will make some whack statement, may provide a link to some obscure and ancient text, or make a statement without any factual background, and expect you to find the facts. Think I have covered most of them. PS if the hat fits, or you like hooks... Yes. bell hooks. I imagine she does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 2 hours ago, StringerBell said: Yes. bell curves. I imagine she does. FTFY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 14 hours ago, Lambchop said: It isn’t a meritocracy though, that’s the whole frigging point, it’s just a massive old boys network; that’s how our country is run. Indeed - and even if it is a meritocracy - meritocracies are stupid and a particularly bad way of running things. They are designed to increase inequality (I think Stringer said he was for *more* equality not less) - and aren't really any different to oligarchy when it all boils down. Merit is really a byword for privilege, and if you're using meritocracy as an excuse for inequality then you're a sucker who has bought the lies hook line and sinker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 15 hours ago, Lambchop said: It isn’t a meritocracy though, that’s the whole frigging point, it’s just a massive old boys network; that’s how our country is run. A country that has freedom of movement, freedom of thought, freedom of speech and oppurtunites that few countries can match, and most cannot believe is attainable. If you think the 'old boy's network' is the real problem in gender pay at levels where you can negotiate your own contract and pay, then i'd advise to look into a bit more. It has more to do with other things, rather than the patriarchy and having boobs. I'm not denying it doesn't exist, but @StringerBell has already posted evidence of the differences in men and women at a deeper level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 18 minutes ago, StivePesley said: Indeed - and even if it is a meritocracy - meritocracies are stupid and a particularly bad way of running things. They are designed to increase inequality (I think Stringer said he was for *more* equality not less) - and aren't really any different to oligarchy when it all boils down. Merit is really a byword for privilege, and if you're using meritocracy as an excuse for inequality then you're a sucker who has bought the lies hook line and sinker No I’m not pro-equality I’m pro-economic freedom. Perhaps an argument could be made that some excesses need reigning in but it doesn’t particularly bother me. Though people who go to a comprehensive school aren’t likely to be prime minister and few of the children who grew up in the 60’s and 70’s actually did become astronauts we generally do live in a meritocracy in which you’re rewarded for your work. It just seems daft to suggest otherwise. You’re ‘indeed’ing to someone who thinks its more accurate to describe the meritocracy as a patriarchy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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