Anon Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 47 minutes ago, Albert said: I get the impression you're trying to compare this to international baseball, something that Americans don't take particularly seriously (the sides they send are usually pretty weak). The big teams in World baseball though are, despite sending weak sides, Japan, Korea, Taiwan and the United States, and they are ranked some way ahead of others like Cuba, the Dominican Republic and such. Cuba tends to be quite successful in some of the older tournaments though. Surely you would have done some basic fact checking before posting it as an example though. Below are a selection of players from the current USA team and the team that failed to make the semi finals in the 2013 World Baseball Classic after being defeated by the Dominican Republic. And to think you have the gall to call me on fact checking. 2017 Archer - 2015 All Star Duffy - 2015 World Series Miller - 2016 All Star + MVP, World Series 2013 Lucroy - 2014, 2016 All Star Posey - 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016 All Star, 2010, 2012, 2014 World Series, 2012 MVP Arenado - 2015, 2016 All Star Carpenter - 2013, 2014, 2016 All Star Crawford - 2015 All Star, World Series 2012, 2014 Goldschmidt - 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 All Star Hosmer - 2016 All Star, 2015 World Series Kinsler - 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014 All Star Murphy - 2014, 2016 All Star, 2015 MVP Jones - 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 All Star McCutchen - 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, MVP 2012 2013 Affeldt - 2010, 2012, 2014 World Series Bell - 2009, 2010, 2011 All Star Boggs - 2011 World Series Dickey - 2012 All Star Gonzalez - 2011, 2012 All Star Kimbrel - 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016 All Star Perkins - 2013, 2014, 2015 All Star Vogelsong - 2011 All Star, 2012, 2014 World Series Lucroy - 2014, 2016 All Star Mauer - 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013 All Star, 2009 MVP Phillips - 2010, 2011, 2013 All Star Rollins - 2001, 2002, 2005 All Star, 2007 MVP, 2008 World Series Hosmer - 2016 All Star, 2015 World Series Wright - 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013 All Star Zobrist - 2009, 2013, 2016, World Series 2015, 2016, MVP 2016 Braun - 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2015 All Star, 2011 MVP Jones - 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 All Star Stanton - 2012, 2014, 2015 All Star Victorino - 2009, 2011 All Star, 2008, 2013 World Series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 On 1/13/2017 at 14:35, StivePesley said: The more I think about the proposed 3 team group format - the more I struggle to understand how FIFA have approved the change. Even us dummies on a Derby County forum can see that you can't play all the final group games simultaneously ! Even the idea of going to penalties for a draw in the group stages seems flawed. Potentially a team could play extra-time in every one of their potential 7 games (up to the final) - which is an extra 3.5 hours of football. Unless they go to penalties after 90 mins in the groups, just to settle the tie. But that would be unprecedented and lead to a lot of bore draws The only conclusion you can come to is that they have just not thought it through! Or that their principle priority is not running a fair football tournament, but increasing revenue streams for FIFA and the national associations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 9 hours ago, Anon said: Below are a selection of players from the current USA team and the team that failed to make the semi finals in the 2013 World Baseball Classic after being defeated by the Dominican Republic. And to think you have the gall to call me on fact checking. 2017 Archer - 2015 All Star Duffy - 2015 World Series Miller - 2016 All Star + MVP, World Series 2013 Lucroy - 2014, 2016 All Star Posey - 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016 All Star, 2010, 2012, 2014 World Series, 2012 MVP Arenado - 2015, 2016 All Star Carpenter - 2013, 2014, 2016 All Star Crawford - 2015 All Star, World Series 2012, 2014 Goldschmidt - 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 All Star Hosmer - 2016 All Star, 2015 World Series Kinsler - 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014 All Star Murphy - 2014, 2016 All Star, 2015 MVP Jones - 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 All Star McCutchen - 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, MVP 2012 2013 Affeldt - 2010, 2012, 2014 World Series Bell - 2009, 2010, 2011 All Star Boggs - 2011 World Series Dickey - 2012 All Star Gonzalez - 2011, 2012 All Star Kimbrel - 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016 All Star Perkins - 2013, 2014, 2015 All Star Vogelsong - 2011 All Star, 2012, 2014 World Series Lucroy - 2014, 2016 All Star Mauer - 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013 All Star, 2009 MVP Phillips - 2010, 2011, 2013 All Star Rollins - 2001, 2002, 2005 All Star, 2007 MVP, 2008 World Series Hosmer - 2016 All Star, 2015 World Series Wright - 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013 All Star Zobrist - 2009, 2013, 2016, World Series 2015, 2016, MVP 2016 Braun - 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2015 All Star, 2011 MVP Jones - 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 All Star Stanton - 2012, 2014, 2015 All Star Victorino - 2009, 2011 All Star, 2008, 2013 World Series This is a lovely way of trying to put it, but it's well established within baseball circles that America doesn't send their best, nor does they team put much effort into the tournaments. Let's see who that list is missing then shall we from the MLB MVP awards in recent times: Mike Trout: 2014 and 2016 MVP Chris Bryant: 2016 MVP Josh Donaldson: 2015 MVP Bryce Harper: 2015 MVP Clayton Kershaw: 2014 MVP Keep in mind that there are two awards per year, one for each conference, and none of them from 2014-16 accepted to join the team for 2017. It's a well known issue in American sport in general though, patriotism isn't in their sporting DNA. One thing to note, because your post showed you have a really limited understanding of MLB, or you're very keen on misrepresenting the situation as you realise your point was weak from the get go. It was well clever to try and call the MVP award from the Championship series the "[year] MVP" award though, despite it basically being the "man of the match" for those playoffs, rather than the best player in the competition award, as the above is. American sports tend to hand out awards like candy "[something very specific] All Star side", but the list you made above you could instead put like: Player Name - Made team of the year for one of the conferences 2006, 2011, 2013, won a man of the match award 2014 It seems a lot less impressive looking at it in this terms. We shouldn't need to talk about it like that though, because it's pretty common knowledge America's best declines to participate in Team USA, and most rest up before the next MLB season, those that do go are generally trying to raise their profile, but they aren't strong squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Euro 2016 was the worst major tournament I'd seen in my lifetime. It was a total mess and the fact that Portugal managed to win it by finishing 3rd in their group and then going on to play the mighty Croatia, Poland and Wales for a place in the final was some kind of sick joke. It was a shambles of a tournament, and an increaed World Cup would just be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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