tomsdubs Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 You mean the first McClaren season .Thorne and Wisdom Dawkins,and Whitbread and Keane ,Cisse and Bamford were added if my memory serves me right and we finished 3rd but ultimately failed at Wembley McClaren had added to Cloughs team which had good players already but the additions made a massive difference Coaching did play its part though of course it did The following McClaren season we lost Bamdord and Wisdom and added Ibe ,Lingard ,Christie ,Warnock ,Ince ,Mascarell ,Calero ,Best,Bent , and Raul Albentosa. etc but imploded at the end of the season and finished 8th Summing up coaching is a big part of a teams performance but you need quality players in the right areas and strength in depth for a promotion push The second batch you listed there barely added anything. Bamford wasn't even a starter a lot of the time, Whitbread barely played, Keane? You could forget he ever played here, Cisse had nothing to do with anything and Dawkins did OK. Wisdom is the only one that had a big influence. Bamford got some key goals but outside of that did OK.You've completely proved my point with that list of players, they came in but we did no better at all. We'd have been just as good playing u21s half the time. Why did we implode? Oh yes the coach had his head turned, started misusing players and everyone lost confidence in him. Shocker.Look at this way, all the teams that finish top 2 have been very lucky with injuries the last few seasons. Burnley managed to go the whole season with that tiny squad and went up. We have more depth than most clubs yet keep failing, now tell me how do you reason we need stacks of players when the first choice 11 can't even get a win?Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 The second batch you listed there barely added anything. Bamford wasn't even a starter a lot of the time, Whitbread barely played, Keane? You could forget he ever played here, Cisse had nothing to do with anything and Dawkins did OK. Wisdom is the only one that had a big influence. Bamford got some key goals but outside of that did OK.You've completely proved my point with that list of players, they came in but we did no better at all. We'd have been just as good playing u21s half the time. Why did we implode? Oh yes the coach had his head turned, started misusing players and everyone lost confidence in him. Shocker.Look at this way, all the teams that finish top 2 have been very lucky with injuries the last few seasons. Burnley managed to go the whole season with that tiny squad and went up. We have more depth than most clubs yet keep failing, now tell me how do you reason we need stacks of players when the first choice 11 can't even get a win?Think about it.I don't need to think about it. 2 players a CF and a Creative midfielder. U21s which ones would you have used .Dont forget we only needed to draw against Reading last game of last season to get playoffs again and you would of played the U21s.It was expected we would beat Reading but we didn't why. And please don't say injuries because we had less then than we do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 If I were Sam Rush I wouldn't give Clement dollar one until he started showing me he was getting the best out of our current squad of players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 If I were Sam Rush I wouldn't give Clement dollar one until he started showing me he was getting the best out of our current squad of players Sam Rush has not got the power to say anything it's the owners who have the money. Ruddington are you a Forest fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Sam Rush has not got the power to say anything it's the owners who have the money. Ruddington are you a Forest fan. The owners then, either way he hasn't demonstrated that he's getting the best out of the current players. Nope sorry to disappoint, strangely enough there will be a smattering of Forest Fans living in Derby, not all Derby supporters live within a 2 mile radius of Pride Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valleyram Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 carsonbaird shackell Keogh forsyth thorneBryson butterfieldweimann to play alongside martin russell or ince id probably go with russellthat team WILL win this league 16/1 will look a silly price with the bookies come the end of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 The owners then, either way he hasn't demonstrated that he's getting the best out of the current players. Nope sorry to disappoint, strangely enough there will be a smattering of Forest Fans living in Derby, not all Derby supporters live within a 2 mile radius of Pride Park Not yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 carsonbaird shackell Keogh forsyth thorneHendrick butterfieldweimann to play alongside martin russell or ince id probably go with russellthat team WILL win this league 16/1 will look a silly price with the bookies come the end of the season Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Not yet Anyway back to my original point Clement doesn't deserve being given new funds until he can demonstrate he is exploiting the full potential of his current players rather than throw more money at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valleyram Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Fixed.your team wont ha ha , cant win a game with hendrick I suspect bryso will go straight back in starting 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I don't need to think about it. 2 players a CF and a Creative midfielder. U21s which ones would you have used .Dont forget we only needed to draw against Reading last game of last season to get playoffs again and you would of played the U21s.It was expected we would beat Reading but we didn't why. And please don't say injuries because we had less then than we do now. It had **** all to do with the quality of the players we fielded so I have no idea what your point is. You're more proving my point than yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 your team wont ha ha , cant win a game with hendrick I suspect bryso will go straight back in starting 11Sorry he cannot go straight in the team not a chance. Bench at the very best tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valleyram Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Sorry he cannot go straight in the team not a chance. Bench at the very best tbh. aye you are right enough , best get our maps out for Swindon , Barnsley etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 aye you are right enough , best get our maps out for Swindon , Barnsley etc Stop embarrassing yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 Great news about Butterfield already .Now for the CF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valleyram Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Stop embarrassing yourself. you are the one doing that , you are actually clueless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 you are the one doing that , you are actually clueless Hahaha erm you're the 1 favour your own (ahead of other player) so I'm being realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 if Butterfield joins don't think Bryson will get straight back in.Thorne Hendrick Butterfield as the three on midfield, with Ince Russell and martin as the forward three. Decent strength as well with Bryson and Hanson as back ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 you are the one doing that , you are actually clueless give over - DEL isn't clueless, a player hardly ever goes onto the starting 11 straight after a lengthy injury. Fitness levels wont be the same or as high as Hendrick, Hanson or Butterfield (if he joins). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 if Butterfield joins don't think Bryson will get straight back in.Thorne Hendrick Butterfield as the three on midfield, with Ince Russell and martin as the forward three. Decent strength as well with Bryson and Hanson as back ups.Good post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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