Ovis aries Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 The **** will start a ****** World War , I can feel it in my water , he is an egomaniac.He want's to be Stalin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 And Stalin wanted to be Lenin, and Lenin wanted to be Peter the Great...That's just how Russian leaders have to be. There's never been a successful Russian leader who wasn't a powerful autocratic nutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Putin always strikes me as a Russian version of Boris Johnson with a mean streak. They won't start anything. They'd lose, and then the rest of us would just cherry pick their oil and gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Russia from the east ISIS from the south getting a little bit surrounded by Nutters.However I can understand Russia getting nervous as NATO promised not to put high powered weapon systems in the Baltics, then they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Anyone ever thought that maybe WE are the bad guys? Blair/Bush/Cameron/Obomber...hardly the whos who of decent human beings...Look at the list of Countries the USA has invaded in the last 50 years. I would take Putin over the Zionist ****lickers we are ruled by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Anyone ever thought that maybe WE are the bad guys? Blair/Bush/Cameron/Obomber...hardly the whos who of decent human beings...Look at the list of Countries the USA has invaded in the last 50 years. I would take Putin over the Zionist ****lickers we are ruled by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 That's if there is a World worth fighting over by then. Mind you, us peasants are only cannon fodder anyhoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Wow boys, this is getting a bit heavy. Can't we just blame it on the foreigners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Or the boogie..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Or a bogey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyBilly Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I agree with Troy. The media give a very biased interpretation of events as if we are the good guys all the time, fighting a noble cause. So far as I see it our foreign policy is about protecting America's sphere of influence and expanding the EU's territory and power. You poke the Russian bear enough times this is what you get. The problem is Europe is on a death march with the Euro and America's share of global GDP is diluting by the month, we don't rule the world anymore and they just don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovis aries Posted February 21, 2015 Author Share Posted February 21, 2015 So which parts of former countries that we used to control are we trying to take back by force . ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 We don't bother with ones we used to control. We just invade ones we have no business going near. I wonder if Mugabe would still be in power if Zimbabwe had an abundance of natural resources...Since WW2 the USA has bombed 24 different Countries. They are the good guys though. USA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancanster ram Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Putin is the bad man there is no question about it. He has violated numerous countries sovereignty for instance Georgia where he still has troops, Ukraine etc etc and he will not stop. There is no doubt Putin wants to roll back the borders of independent nation states anymore. On our foreign policy in the past we've done bad things, especially during the cold war where we propped up dictatorships in order to try and stop the spread of communism. We still prop up or support dictators such as Saudi Arabia which is wrong, however we must be able to speak out against all wrongs. This includes Putin's authoritarian state which for a while now has been descending into full blown tyranny. On our interventions in general i'll say a couple of things. I am a supporter of Iraq and Afghanistan they were both ruled by dictators especially iraq the like of which were on the scale of Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot. We weren't dealing with authoritarian leaders whose idea of government was a bit weird. In Iraq and Afghanistan both those governments were a threat to the world and oppressors to their own people on scales which are almost unimaginable, if you doubt this just read about the mass graves found in Iraq and accounts by Peter Bergen in Afghanistan. Yes Mugabe is a bad man but is he as bad as Saddam Hussein? As bad as the Taliban? The idea that we go to war for natural resources is simply not true at the moment. I think such theories are self discrediting and require no more comment from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 On our interventions in general i'll say a couple of things. I am a supporter of Iraq and Afghanistan they were both ruled by dictators especially iraq the like of which were on the scale of Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancanster ram Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I love this comment, because we never invaded Maoist China or Stalinist Russia did we? Were we not appalled by their human rights violations too? Apparently not as appalled as we were with Saddam, even though you believe Saddam to be on the same scale.There was a plan to set back Stalinist Russia by Churchill after the second world war but it was deemed impossible to commit to. Also you don't take into account what is possible and what is impossible, was it possible to depose saddam yes, was it possible to depose stalin and mao? No it wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 There was a plan to set back Stalinist Russia by Churchill after the second world war but it was deemed impossible to commit to. Also you don't take into account what is possible and what is impossible, was it possible to depose saddam yes, was it possible to depose stalin and mao? No it wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovis aries Posted February 22, 2015 Author Share Posted February 22, 2015 I have heard a strong rumour that Putin is putting out tenders for the re-building of the Berlin Wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancanster ram Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 So then it's not about morals is it? It's about going into a war you know you can win, so you can take the natural resources. If these wars were even slightly driven by a moral compass then there would have been attempts to depose Stalin or Mao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 So then it's not about morals is it? It's about going into a war you know you can win, so you can take the natural resources. If these wars were even slightly driven by a moral compass then there would have been attempts to depose Stalin or Mao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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