Rampton Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Whay are the play offs worth to the teams that don't get promoted. Gate receipts, TV money, extra season ticket sales etc. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong but i'm sure i've read that the gate receipts from all 4 play off games are pooled and shared equally between the 4 teams, which is a bit rough considering QPR and Wigan will struggle to top 18k. Also do the winning team give the Wembley gate receipts to the losing side. 80 - 90k x £30 upwards. £5 million? £10 million? It would be interesting to know. Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North_Stand_Ram Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 It doesn't matter cus' we're going up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 The Wembley gate receipts are split in half, but a lot of the time the two sides agree that the loser gets the lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I thought it was £1m in the semis and about £3m if you lose the final (based on the gate money going to the loser). However Ramblur thought I'd overegged the pudding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randombc Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 A potential £4 million if we got to the final and didn't go up? That would be handy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Ram Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 How bout we just focus on getting promoted, that way we can be happy with a handy 140million pounds rather than a measly 4million... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 A mild caridiac infarction at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Only half the semi final receipts are spilt between the four semi finalist - the rest goes to a "pool account" The same for the final, each club gets about 25% of gate receipts http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20110629/football-league-play-off-rules_2293633_2358924 Tv money is not classed as match proceeds for these matches - guess it goes to the league and not the clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampton Posted May 5, 2014 Author Share Posted May 5, 2014 Not a massive earner for the losers then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niram Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 what does the team that goes up get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 what does the team that goes up get? Promotion and guaranteed big money whether they stay up or go back down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramblur Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I thought it was £1m in the semis and about £3m if you lose the final (based on the gate money going to the loser). However Ramblur thought I'd overegged the pudding. Assuming that your £3m for the final includes anything made from the semis,I couldn't question it.The OP has it slightly wrong in that allowable match expenses must first be deducted from gross receipts (along with VAT output tax) to give net receipts.The League then takes 3%,with both finalists then sharing 50% (as opposed to 100%) of what's left.Thus ,if the winners wave their share,the losers would receive the whole 50% of what's left (the other 50% going into a pool,which I assume is shared amongst all member clubs).I also assume that the winners waive their share of TV receipts,which will obviously be greater than those for the individual semis matches.Thus I could well see these considerations +share of semis proceeds amounting to around £3m.A Wembley appearance would probably boost merchandise sales,and a 50% chance of winning (ignoring perceived strengths of finalists) might well seduce a large number of new S/T sales,enticed by the prospect of a 50% refund.However,it should be pointed out that bonuses may well have to be paid out of this. It was the £1m from a losing semi that I had issue with.I deliberately set a fairly ridiculous £40 per head average for our home game to show that,even at this level,we'd need a TV fee of well over £500k to hit the overall £1m. Now we know our own prices,I'd say that concessions would mean we'd probably struggle (a lot) to even average £25 per head.I very much doubt that our share of pooled gate receipts would amount to £300k.Again,the OP has it slightly wrong in that only 50% is pooled amongst the 4 (after expenses and the League's 3%). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Ramblur - read the last section of this http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20110629/football-league-play-off-rules_2293633_2358924 Broadcasting revenue not classed as match proceeds and no facility fees paid to the clubs. I read that as the clubs get no money from TV for the play - offs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramblur Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Only half the semi final receipts are spilt between the four semi finalist - the rest goes to a "pool account" The same for the final, each club gets about 25% of gate receiptshttp://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20110629/football-league-play-off-rules_2293633_2358924 Tv money is not classed as match proceeds for these matches - guess it goes to the league and not the clubs. I don't know for sure,but I think this just means that the clubs share TV receipts,and the League doesn't take a cut.Otherwise I think the League's regs would state that TV receipts are pooled.A bit similar to TV fees for cup games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JW- Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Wigan in the Semi finals is not the best for gate receipts. Although saying that, If us and them make the final we'll probably get best part of 50k tickets like Arsenal did in the cup semi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramblur Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Ramblur - read the last section of thishttp://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20110629/football-league-play-off-rules_2293633_2358924 Broadcasting revenue not classed as match proceeds and no facility fees paid to the clubs. I read that as the clubs get no money from TV for the play - offs Not sure about that one-I just read it that the League wouldn't take 3%.Whatever "facility fees" mean (and it might mean something other than TV fees),it doesn't say clubs won't receive same,but that amounts to be paid would be decided by the Board. Having looked at the regs again,I think that the facility fees mentioned represent payments made to clubs for staging the semis.As clubs vary in size,these would obviously vary and therefore couldn't be specified.The significant thing is that facility fees for the semis are decided by the Board; if you look at the final though,it says that no facility fees are payable (for the obvious reason that neither finalist stages the match). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampton Posted May 5, 2014 Author Share Posted May 5, 2014 Ramblur thank you for your input its much appreciated, you seem to have a good head for figures. Can you give us a ball park figure what do the losers get give or take 100k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramblur Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Ramblur thank you for your input its much appreciated, you seem to have a good head for figures. Can you give us a ball park figure what do the losers get give or take 100k? Sorry Rampton,it's impossible because we don't know final ticket prices or the amount of the TV fee.All I was able to say was that I couldn't find anything to obviously refute Sage's £3m,but this doesn't mean that that's my estimate,because I find it impossible to come up with one! For those who anticipate any proceeds from a losing final would automatically go into a transfer kitty,I think you might be disappointed.We should be aware that our owners have continually subsidised our club and I think it would be a little churlish to deny them the opportunity to use some of the proceeds to reduce their annual financial input,if only for one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampton Posted May 5, 2014 Author Share Posted May 5, 2014 Thanks Ramblur. So it would appear that nothing but promotion wold advance us financially. Hers hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramblur Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 My pleasure,Rampton. I cetainly think that a losing final would increase the transfer kitty,it's just the amount which is open to question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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