Red_Dawn Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 He's got ambition lads, ain't going to your shower permanently. Leicester on the other hand, there's a team going places.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndySlory Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Your fellow Baggie was the one who said he was worried after lording it up over us. I just agreed that he should be worried. By the way I'd actually prefer our season to yours, much more fun thanks. Yeah I see this argument much like the one when people say they would prefer to not play UEFA league as its a distraction. If the Championship is more fun why bother getting promoted? Keep finishing 3rd and staying there, enjoy yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDCAR Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 He's got ambition lads, ain't going to your shower permanently. Leicester on the other hand, there's a team going places.. Christ...... if we are a shower...... Forest must be a bath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Why are all West Brom fans jizzing all over 'JP' like he's some kind of demi-God! He's not a patch on our Candy Crush Mesiah! Nobbers! ....and if JP is soooooo friggin amazing, how come he gave his manager's job to some unknown prat and then sacked him, yeah that makes sense, he knows his stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddesdenRam Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 It's not in Thorne's hands. All he can do is try and force a move via public media as he has done. Or Put in a formal transfer request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripleyram88 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 No, not at all. I came to give you my honest opinion based on the statement the club released yesterday. Due to the players we released and went back on loan to their parent clubs, we have about 8 to 9 players to bring in this Summer, why would we want to add another 1 to that list? Another reason we wont sell him is that we do not have to include him in the 25 man squad due to his age. My opinion is that you will make further bids and we will continue to release statements that he is not for sale. He's 21, you will have to register him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I mean what are WB being hard to get or do they just not want to get rid of him, at least if he hadn't published that stupid article Derby and WB would be on more amicable terms. They are going to hold out for a fortune now for him. Even worse for Thorne because he'll be stuck in the reserves until his contract runs out or until someone bids £8 million for him. Stupid move by Thorne and his agent. Maybe we could be in at least reasonable discussions by now. The whole situation is getting ridiciulious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Tim Sherwood rumoured to be WBA manager in next 48hrs Would he be likely to let Thorne go to Derby ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueLou Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 The article was a daft move in retrospect but I can't say it didn't bring a smile to my face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripleyram88 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Anyone think they have said he's not for sale to try and save a few pennies. Then they can claim he forced the transfer so won't have to pay him his loyalty payments. If they said he was for sale they would have to pay him his bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsBaggie Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Yep, another baggie here, in peace. Thought i'd post as i always kept an eye on this forum for opinions on GT when he was playing for you to see how he was getting on. Couple of observations. When we say things like 'you haven't dealt with JP' we don't necessarily mean it in a showing off kind of way. Sometimes it works for us and sometimes against us. It often works in our favour when we are selling as we really do manage to get excessive transfer fee's from clubs. £5m for a 30-year-old Jonathan Greening £6m for Diomansy Kamara Think it was £6m for Jason Koumas. £9m for Curtis Davies. £7m for Long (he ain't as good as national press make out - all graft little quality) The Odemwingie episode was a bad time for all parties. We stopped him from going to QPR on transfer deadline day out of spite i believe. That was an example of JP playing hardball perhaps at his own expense. He was always going to go for quite cheap as he only had 1 year left on contract and was 32. We got £2m so made 200k profit on him. He aint done much since he has left. But when it comes to buying we often loose out on targets or leave it late because he negotiate for too long. What i don't think anyone has mentioned yet is how much the academy is JP's pride and joy. The club are DESPERATE for someone to come through the youth system and play at PL level. JP built the academy, before he came we didn't have one. Thorne and Berahino are the first to come through. It will take a massive amount to get him, not to get all high and mighty because i honestly don't think like that but i do believe WBA are currently a more attractive proposition. Simply because of the leagues. And he is our player, on a long term contract. The ball is firmly in our court. Someone on a WBA forum worked out just how long Thorne has been available for selection for Albion since he was 18, it was 4 months (rest of time were loans and injury). For 2 of those months he was 18, and 1 other month he played. So that being said GT was talking out his ass a little bit. Fans are fickle though, couple of good performances and he will be back in favour with us. I think Albion are a bit pee'd off with Derby over this. I think the club have always had first team football in mind for GT and we looking to send him on loan to you so he could gain match fitness, then all this happens i reckon Albion feel a bit burned by it, which will harden the stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaave Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Decent post, seems reasonably fair. If he's going to be fighting for a first team spot with you all the best to him next season, would just be a real shame if he doesn't get a good crack at it. What do you make of the rumour that he was made to sign a new deal before he was allowed out on loan? Perhaps it's nonsense but it could explain why he's upset and feels "his heart is no longer at WBA" or some such ********. Seems like he's been treated quite reasonably this aside so makes me wonder if there's something in it that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 If West Brom are appointing a guy how gives Harry Kane starts at Spurs, then I think he we will stay, Time to move on and I am sure the club will have other targets, they won't be too short sighted just to focus on one player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsBaggie Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 If we appoint Sherwood, he had a excellent record of promoting youth during the short time he was at Spurs. We have signed Gardner but i think that he have signed him as utility. Importantly he can play RB as we need 2 RB's and 2 LB's and i cant see us signing 4 specialist full backs so maybe Gardner has been signed as RB cover. Leaving GT to be 3rd choice behind Yacob and Mulumbu. But these to often get suspended and niggly injures as they are so combative. So he will be well in the mix. I really like GT. I love his passing. That through ball (you know the one) was sublime. He deserves, based on his performances, the chance to see what he can do with us. Remember he also played well for us before he got injured. The signing of the contract under duress. Sounds very agent driven. No one signs contracts when they don't want to. Remember the agent makes £££ when players move around. Sounds like he's been badly advised when speaking to The Mirror in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 So why has he said in effect he doesn't want to play for you? If your academy is this Pearce guys pride & joy and George is one of the leading lights? Doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndySlory Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Yep, another baggie here, in peace. Thought i'd post as i always kept an eye on this forum for opinions on GT when he was playing for you to see how he was getting on. Couple of observations. When we say things like 'you haven't dealt with JP' we don't necessarily mean it in a showing off kind of way. Sometimes it works for us and sometimes against us. It often works in our favour when we are selling as we really do manage to get excessive transfer fee's from clubs. £5m for a 30-year-old Jonathan Greening £6m for Diomansy Kamara Think it was £6m for Jason Koumas. £9m for Curtis Davies. £7m for Long (he ain't as good as national press make out - all graft little quality) The Odemwingie episode was a bad time for all parties. We stopped him from going to QPR on transfer deadline day out of spite i believe. That was an example of JP playing hardball perhaps at his own expense. He was always going to go for quite cheap as he only had 1 year left on contract and was 32. We got £2m so made 200k profit on him. He aint done much since he has left. But when it comes to buying we often loose out on targets or leave it late because he negotiate for too long. What i don't think anyone has mentioned yet is how much the academy is JP's pride and joy. The club are DESPERATE for someone to come through the youth system and play at PL level. JP built the academy, before he came we didn't have one. Thorne and Berahino are the first to come through. It will take a massive amount to get him, not to get all high and mighty because i honestly don't think like that but i do believe WBA are currently a more attractive proposition. Simply because of the leagues. And he is our player, on a long term contract. The ball is firmly in our court. Someone on a WBA forum worked out just how long Thorne has been available for selection for Albion since he was 18, it was 4 months (rest of time were loans and injury). For 2 of those months he was 18, and 1 other month he played. So that being said GT was talking out his ass a little bit. Fans are fickle though, couple of good performances and he will be back in favour with us. I think Albion are a bit pee'd off with Derby over this. I think the club have always had first team football in mind for GT and we looking to send him on loan to you so he could gain match fitness, then all this happens i reckon Albion feel a bit burned by it, which will harden the stance. Top post. I've not been trying to having a dig at Derby - without provocation. However I feel we (WBA) are up for giving Thorne a chane in the first team but he does need to work for it. I was disappointed with his quotes from the Mirror because I feel we did him give a chance - minus injuries we played him - once he did get injured we offered him a chance to get match fit (and a new and improved contract). The whole signing a contact under duress I find unlikely. if that IS the case he surely wouldn't sign it. We stuck by him through his injuries. For him to play with us now I wouldn't mind an apologie for his comments but I'm sure that wont be coming.. Either way good luck in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsBaggie Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Like i say, i think its agent driven. It also worth mentioning just how terrible our season was last year. Not just on the pitch but off it. The dressing room was a bad place full of cliques and player revolts. Our statistics guy coaching footballers which they all rebelled against. It was a mess. Rudderless and no direction. We often get beaten with the almost relegated/3 points off relegation/17th stick, but we really do look at that as a positive. We had a season where EVERYTHING went wrong. Form, off the pitch headlines, players with attitudes, coaching set up all wrong, fans not happy. not ONE positive. And yet still, we survived. We crawled over the line. After a season like that, i wouldn't want to play for us. But 11 players have departed, the lawyer that was in charge of transfers has moved back to being a lawyer and we actually have a football guy in charge of the football stuff (Burton), New Head coach coming in. Chairman has said he is going to take ownership of last season and it won't happen again, that he's not going to sit back but will take leadership. All just words but so far this summer, signs are good. I think next season will be better. 11th, 10th, 8th, 17th shows that last season bucked the trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I think next season will be better. 11th, 10th, 8th, 17th shows that last season bucked the trend. Really? So you think you will be back to finishing 8th, 10th or 11th? Your club is in an awful position to be quite honest. The three that have just gone up are no pushovers. Two have money to spend. I look at teams like Sunderland, Villa and Swansea and say they had bad one off seasons. I am afraid your season objective will be trying to stay up. If you think otherwise you are deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North_Stand_Ram Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 Baggie79 on Pepe Mel, 5 days before he leaves by mutual consent #ITK edit: link added for completeness... Absolutely fantastic. I love these supposesed ITK's, even from our fans. Only know one decent one and he's on derby mad unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLACML Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Surely the WBA owner is backing himself into a corner. If Thorne stays with them and is fit, but is kept languishing in the sticks, just for spite, then they must be breaking some law. Not breaking a law, but it's a poor business strategy. He's throwing away a couple of million just to spite someone. I highly doubt that'll happen though, this is just the negotiation process. £3million and everybody wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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