Smyth_18 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Being as an honest as possible try and rate each individual of our squad on their CURRENT ability. The scale being leagues i.e lower prem, average champ, league 1 etc.. Player by player and preferably a reason why. I will do mine on my work break! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 I will make this relative... 10 - good premier league standard 9 - established premier league standard 8 - bottom premier / very good championship 7 - good championship player 6 - established championship standard 5 - bottom championship 4 to 1 - Not good enough. Lee Grant - 7 Frank Fielding - 6 Adam Legzdins - 6 John Brayford - 8 Richard Keogh - 7 Jake Buxton - 6 Kieron Freeman - 6 Valentin Gjokaj - 5 Michael Hoganson - 5 Mark O'Brien - 5 James O'Connor - 5 James Bailey - 6 Craig Bryson - 7 Paul Coutts - 7 Ben Davies - 6 Jeff Hendrick - 8 Will Hughes - 7 Michael Jacobs - 6 Callum Ball - 5 Mason Bennett - 5 Conor Doyle - 4 Theo Robinson - 5 Conor Sammon - 7 Nathan Tyson - 5 Jamie Ward - 8 Chris Martin - 6 Johnny Russell - 7 Russell and Grant is what I am expecting in all honesty. Oh, and for what he was... Shaun Barker - 8 but who knows now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smyth_18 Posted June 20, 2013 Author Share Posted June 20, 2013 I will make this relative... 10 - good premier league standard 9 - established premier league standard 8 - bottom premier / very good championship 7 - good championship player 6 - established championship standard 5 - bottom championship 4 to 1 - Not good enough. Adam Legzdins - 6 5 Jake Buxton - 6 5 Kieron Freeman - 6 5 Valentin Gjokaj - 5 4 Michael Hoganson - 5 4 Mark O'Brien - 5 4 James O'Connor - 5 4 James Bailey - 6 4 Paul Coutts - 7 6 Will Hughes - 7 6 Michael Jacobs - 6 5 Callum Ball - 5 4 Mason Bennett - 5 4 Conor Sammon - 7 6 Nathan Tyson - 5 4 Jamie Ward - 8 6 I agree with all but the above. Thats being as honest as possible, based on current individual ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 I agree with all but the above. Thats being as honest as possible, based on current individual ability. Harsh guy - comparable to other championship clubs though, on the whole I think we're better than most. I don't see any player higher than an 8 currently in this division though, Brayford, Hendrick and Ward for me is as good as it gets (around that standard) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smyth_18 Posted June 20, 2013 Author Share Posted June 20, 2013 Harsh guy - comparable to other championship clubs though, on the whole I think we're better than most. I don't see any player higher than an 8 currently in this division though, Brayford, Hendrick and Ward for me is as good as it gets (around that standard) Most of the ones i have given a 4 have time to improve and age on their side. The likes of O'Brien do well in the team but should he go to a league one team on loan i don't think he'd stand out. Hughes has the potential to be a 10 but right at this moment i'd say he is a decent championship player which is brilliant for his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Most of the ones i have given a 4 have time to improve and age on their side. The likes of O'Brien do well in the team but should he go to a league one team on loan i don't think he'd stand out. Hughes has the potential to be a 10 but right at this moment i'd say he is a decent championship player which is brilliant for his age. I think Hughes is a good championship player already, based on what he can do. How many players at this level can pick the lock like he can? I would say none, because they don't have his vision - he had a bad couple of months, agreed but still he had more good games than bad, a lot more. You're obviously a lot harsher in your markings than me - I looked at the quality inside the championship and made it relative. a 6 for Ward (which you gave him) would mean that 40% of first team players in this division are better than him - so if you say 25 first team players per squad which means 600 first team players in this division - Jamie Ward would be around 240th best player (roughly) in the division. A poor showing for our top goalscorer, and arguably our best attacking player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smyth_18 Posted June 20, 2013 Author Share Posted June 20, 2013 a 6 for Ward (which you gave him) would mean that 40% of first team players in this division are better than him - so if you say 25 first team players per squad which means 600 first team players in this division - Jamie Ward would be around 240th best player (roughly) in the division. A poor showing for our top goalscorer, and arguably our best attacking player. To be honest i was torn between 6/7 for Ward. Depends on how you look at established championship/ good championship really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddesdenRam Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Current Ability - nothing to do with potential Grant - Good Championship GK Brayford - Quality Championship RB Keogh - Good Championship CB Buxton - Below Par Championship CB Forsyth - Below Par Championship CB Hughes - Good Championship CM Hendrick - Good Championship CM Bryson - Good Championship CM Russell - ??? Sammon - Poor Championship ST Ward - Quality Championship ST (however injury record reduces him to an average Championship striker in my opinion) Martin - Average Deeney - Very Poor Championship player Jacobs - Below Par Championship winger Davies - Average Championship Wide Midfielder Freeman - Average Championship Full Back Gjokak - Poor Championship CB Coutts - Average Championship player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Buxton - Below Par Championship CB You're asking for a ban, Shabash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North_Stand_Ram Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Lee Grant - 7 Frank Fielding - 5 Adam Legzdins - 5 John Brayford - 8 Richard Keogh - 8 Jake Buxton - 6 Kieron Freeman - 5 Valentin Gjokaj - 5 Michael Hoganson - 5 Mark O'Brien - 5 James O'Connor - 5 James Bailey - 5 Craig Bryson - 7 Paul Coutts - 6 Ben Davies - 6 Jeff Hendrick - 7 Will Hughes - 7 Michael Jacobs - 6 Callum Ball - 5 Mason Bennett - 5 Conor Doyle - 4 Theo Robinson - 5 Conor Sammon - 7 Nathan Tyson - 5 Jamie Ward - 7 Chris Martin - 6 Johnny Russell - 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Current Ability - nothing to do with potential Grant - Good Championship GK Brayford - Quality Championship RB Keogh - Good Championship CB Buxton - Below Par Championship CB Forsyth - Below Par Championship CB Hughes - Good Championship CM Hendrick - Good Championship CM Bryson - Good Championship CM Russell - ??? Sammon - Poor Championship ST Ward - Quality Championship ST (however injury record reduces him to an average Championship striker in my opinion) Martin - Average Deeney - Very Poor Championship player Jacobs - Below Par Championship winger Davies - Average Championship Wide Midfielder Freeman - Average Championship Full Back Gjokak - Poor Championship CB Coutts - Average Championship player Pretty fair assessment. Assuming Forsyth signs and the big names stay, I'd say we are about four points better than last year. A good centre half signing and a defensive midfield player, then I'd say comfortably top six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L_J_DCFC Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Current Ability - nothing to do with potential Grant - Good Championship GK Brayford - Quality Championship RB Keogh - Good Championship CB Buxton - Below Par Championship CB Forsyth - Below Par Championship CB Hughes - Good Championship CM Hendrick - Good Championship CM Bryson - Good Championship CM Russell - ??? Sammon - Poor Championship ST Ward - Quality Championship ST (however injury record reduces him to an average Championship striker in my opinion) Martin - Average Deeney - Very Poor Championship player Jacobs - Below Par Championship winger Davies - Average Championship Wide Midfielder Freeman - Average Championship Full Back Gjokak - Poor Championship CB Coutts - Average Championship player I am not sure how you can class Gjokaj as a poor Championship CB when he has never played their for over 10 minutes for us. I am also bemused for you to say Conor Sammon as a poor Championship striker. You ask a defender in that league about Conor Sammon and they would say he absolutely terrorised us. Wasn't it after our 2-0 win at home to Barnsley when their manager came out and said that Sammon was an absolute menace. Also a full international for his country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 I am not sure how you can class Gjokaj as a poor Championship CB when he has never played their for over 10 minutes for us. I am also bemused for you to say Conor Sammon as a poor Championship striker. You ask a defender in that league about Conor Sammon and they would say he absolutely terrorised us. Wasn't it after our 2-0 win at home to Barnsley when their manager came out and said that Sammon was an absolute menace. Also a full international for his country. Actually agree with your assessment of Gjokaj. Must admit I looked more at the first choice players. I think Gjokaj will be ok at CB. Is too big and bulky for full-back. Sammon has not delivered as regularly as I think he can, but also was not a natural partner for Martin. It's going to be interesting to see who ends up as the first choice striker pairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 I'm not sure if there's "first choice striking pairing". We have good mix now and propably will use all them quite equally, depending which are the weaknesses of adversary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddesdenRam Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 I am not sure how you can class Gjokaj as a poor Championship CB when he has never played their for over 10 minutes for us. I am also bemused for you to say Conor Sammon as a poor Championship striker. You ask a defender in that league about Conor Sammon and they would say he absolutely terrorised us. Wasn't it after our 2-0 win at home to Barnsley when their manager came out and said that Sammon was an absolute menace. Also a full international for his country. Full international means nothing. It was Peterborough who said Sammon terrorised their defence, and Gabriel Zukani was useless at the back. I don't want to turn this into a Sammon debate. I think Sammon is a good asset to the team but a poor player if you understand. He does a quality job defensively, as a striker. Closing down the opposition he is the best in the league. I don't think it will take long before Russell and Martin are the number 1 choice pairing. Then in a 433 Ward Martin Russell. Because good players don't need to run themselves ragged closing down if as a team we have better movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungUttoxRam Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 I am not sure how you can class Gjokaj as a poor Championship CB when he has never played their for over 10 minutes for us. I am also bemused for you to say Conor Sammon as a poor Championship striker. You ask a defender in that league about Conor Sammon and they would say he absolutely terrorised us. Wasn't it after our 2-0 win at home to Barnsley when their manager came out and said that Sammon was an absolute menace. Also a full international for his country.well if you rate him on ability like it says, he is a poor championship striker. If you rate him on effort, work rate etc thats where he's a threat. He has minimal ability but I suppose each to their own with judgement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddesdenRam Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Exactly it's all down to judgement. Sammon has good attributes that can suit a team but that does not make him a good player overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notts_ram Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Jacobs a 6? Not played enough games Sammon a 7? You been on the crack pipe tonight Hendrick an 8? Not crack pipe must be Special K then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Grant 7 Fielding 5 Legzdins 5 Atkins 3 Deeney 1 Morch N/A Brayford 8 Keogh 7 Barker 6 Buxton 5 Freeman 5 (might rise) O'Brien 5 (might rise) O'Connor 4 Naylor 3 Hoganson N/A Gjokaj N/A Hanson N/A Lelan N/A Hughes 7 (might rise) Hendrick 6 (might rise) Bryson 6 Jacobs 5 Coutts 5 Davies 5 Bailey 4 Ward 7 Sammon 6 Martin 6 Robinson 5 Ball 3 Tyson 3 Doyle 2 Bennett N/A Russell N/A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I'm surprised how low people rate our squad to be honest Maybe, I've set my standards wrong. For me, just to give an 'external' comparison. 10 - Loic Remy, Royston Drenthe and James McCarthy 9 - Adel Taarabt, Shaun Maloney and Liam Bridcutt 8 - Anthony Knockaert, Will Buckley and Chris Eagles 7 - James Vaughan, Henri Lansbury and Luke Chambers 6 - Paul Green, Chris McCann and Greg Halford 5 - Marcus Tudgay, Lee Novak and Jamie Vardy Just some standards for how I've rated the players too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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