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Where would you rate our squad on ability?


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Being as an honest as possible try and rate each individual of our squad on their CURRENT ability.

The scale being leagues i.e lower prem, average champ, league 1 etc..

 

Player by player and preferably a reason why.

 

I will do mine on my work break!

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I will make this relative...

 

10 - good premier league standard

9 - established premier league standard
8 - bottom premier / very good championship

7 - good championship player
6 - established championship standard
5 - bottom championship
4 to 1 - Not good enough.

 

Lee Grant - 7

Frank Fielding - 6
Adam Legzdins - 6

John Brayford - 8
Richard Keogh - 7
Jake Buxton - 6
Kieron Freeman - 6
Valentin Gjokaj - 5
Michael Hoganson - 5
Mark O'Brien - 5
James O'Connor - 5
James Bailey - 6
Craig Bryson - 7
Paul Coutts - 7
Ben Davies - 6
Jeff Hendrick - 8
Will Hughes - 7
Michael Jacobs - 6
Callum Ball - 5
Mason Bennett - 5

Conor Doyle - 4
Theo Robinson - 5
Conor Sammon - 7
Nathan Tyson - 5
Jamie Ward - 8
Chris Martin - 6
Johnny Russell - 7 

 

Russell and Grant is what I am expecting in all honesty. 

Oh, and for what he was... Shaun Barker - 8 but who knows now.

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I will make this relative...

 

10 - good premier league standard

9 - established premier league standard

8 - bottom premier / very good championship

7 - good championship player

6 - established championship standard

5 - bottom championship

4 to 1 - Not good enough.

Adam Legzdins - 6                     5

Jake Buxton - 6                            5

Kieron Freeman - 6                  5

Valentin Gjokaj - 5                   4

Michael Hoganson - 5          4

Mark O'Brien - 5                    4

James O'Connor - 5            4

James Bailey - 6                  4

Paul Coutts - 7                     6

Will Hughes - 7                    6

Michael Jacobs - 6              5

Callum Ball - 5                     4

Mason Bennett - 5               4

Conor Sammon - 7             6

Nathan Tyson - 5                 4

Jamie Ward - 8                    6

 

 

 

I agree with all but the above.

 

Thats being as honest as possible, based on current individual ability.

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I agree with all but the above.

 

Thats being as honest as possible, based on current individual ability.

 

Harsh guy - comparable to other championship clubs though, on the whole I think we're better than most.

 

I don't see any player higher than an 8 currently in this division though, Brayford, Hendrick and Ward for me is as good as it gets (around that standard)

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Harsh guy - comparable to other championship clubs though, on the whole I think we're better than most.

 

I don't see any player higher than an 8 currently in this division though, Brayford, Hendrick and Ward for me is as good as it gets (around that standard)

 

Most of the ones i have given a 4 have time to improve and age on their side.

The likes of O'Brien do well in the team but should he go to a league one team on loan i don't think he'd stand out.

 

Hughes has the potential to be a 10 but right at this moment i'd say he is a decent championship player which is brilliant for his age.

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Most of the ones i have given a 4 have time to improve and age on their side.

The likes of O'Brien do well in the team but should he go to a league one team on loan i don't think he'd stand out.

 

Hughes has the potential to be a 10 but right at this moment i'd say he is a decent championship player which is brilliant for his age.

 

I think Hughes is a good championship player already, based on what he can do. 

 

How many players at this level can pick the lock like he can? I would say none, because they don't have his vision - he had a bad couple of months, agreed but still he had more good games than bad, a lot more. 

 

You're obviously a lot harsher in your markings than me - I looked at the quality inside the championship and made it relative. 

 

a 6 for Ward (which you gave him) would mean that 40% of first team players in this division are better than him - so if you say 25 first team players per squad which means 600 first team players in this division - Jamie Ward would be around 240th best player (roughly) in the division. A poor showing for our top goalscorer, and arguably our best attacking player.

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a 6 for Ward (which you gave him) would mean that 40% of first team players in this division are better than him - so if you say 25 first team players per squad which means 600 first team players in this division - Jamie Ward would be around 240th best player (roughly) in the division. A poor showing for our top goalscorer, and arguably our best attacking player.

 

To be honest i was torn between 6/7 for Ward.

 

Depends on how you look at established championship/ good championship really.

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Current Ability - nothing to do with potential

 

Grant - Good Championship GK

 

Brayford - Quality Championship RB

Keogh - Good Championship CB

Buxton - Below Par Championship CB

Forsyth - Below Par Championship CB

 

Hughes - Good Championship CM

Hendrick - Good Championship CM 

Bryson - Good Championship CM

 

Russell - ???

Sammon - Poor Championship ST

Ward - Quality Championship ST    (however injury record reduces him to an average Championship striker in my opinion)

 

 

 

Martin - Average

Deeney - Very Poor Championship player

Jacobs - Below Par Championship winger

Davies - Average Championship Wide Midfielder

Freeman - Average Championship Full Back

Gjokak - Poor Championship CB

Coutts - Average Championship player

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Lee Grant - 7

Frank Fielding - 5

Adam Legzdins - 5

John Brayford - 8

Richard Keogh - 8

Jake Buxton - 6

Kieron Freeman - 5

Valentin Gjokaj - 5

Michael Hoganson - 5

Mark O'Brien - 5

James O'Connor - 5

James Bailey - 5

Craig Bryson - 7

Paul Coutts - 6

Ben Davies - 6

Jeff Hendrick - 7

Will Hughes - 7

Michael Jacobs - 6

Callum Ball - 5

Mason Bennett - 5

Conor Doyle - 4

Theo Robinson - 5

Conor Sammon - 7

Nathan Tyson - 5

Jamie Ward - 7

Chris Martin - 6

Johnny Russell - 7

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Current Ability - nothing to do with potential

 

Grant - Good Championship GK

 

Brayford - Quality Championship RB

Keogh - Good Championship CB

Buxton - Below Par Championship CB

Forsyth - Below Par Championship CB

 

Hughes - Good Championship CM

Hendrick - Good Championship CM 

Bryson - Good Championship CM

 

Russell - ???

Sammon - Poor Championship ST

Ward - Quality Championship ST    (however injury record reduces him to an average Championship striker in my opinion)

 

 

 

Martin - Average

Deeney - Very Poor Championship player

Jacobs - Below Par Championship winger

Davies - Average Championship Wide Midfielder

Freeman - Average Championship Full Back

Gjokak - Poor Championship CB

Coutts - Average Championship player

Pretty fair assessment. Assuming Forsyth signs and the big names stay, I'd say we are about four points better than last year. A good centre half signing and a defensive midfield player, then I'd say comfortably top six.

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Current Ability - nothing to do with potential

 

Grant - Good Championship GK

 

Brayford - Quality Championship RB

Keogh - Good Championship CB

Buxton - Below Par Championship CB

Forsyth - Below Par Championship CB

 

Hughes - Good Championship CM

Hendrick - Good Championship CM 

Bryson - Good Championship CM

 

Russell - ???

Sammon - Poor Championship ST

Ward - Quality Championship ST    (however injury record reduces him to an average Championship striker in my opinion)

 

 

 

Martin - Average

Deeney - Very Poor Championship player

Jacobs - Below Par Championship winger

Davies - Average Championship Wide Midfielder

Freeman - Average Championship Full Back

Gjokak - Poor Championship CB

Coutts - Average Championship player

 

I am not sure how you can class Gjokaj as a poor Championship CB when he has never played their for over 10 minutes for us. I am also bemused for you to say Conor Sammon as a poor Championship striker. You ask a defender in that league about Conor Sammon and they would say he absolutely terrorised us. Wasn't it after our 2-0 win at home to Barnsley when their manager came out and said that Sammon was an absolute menace. Also a full international for his country.

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I am not sure how you can class Gjokaj as a poor Championship CB when he has never played their for over 10 minutes for us. I am also bemused for you to say Conor Sammon as a poor Championship striker. You ask a defender in that league about Conor Sammon and they would say he absolutely terrorised us. Wasn't it after our 2-0 win at home to Barnsley when their manager came out and said that Sammon was an absolute menace. Also a full international for his country.

Actually agree with your assessment of Gjokaj. Must admit I looked more at the first choice players. I think Gjokaj will be ok at CB. Is too big and bulky for full-back. Sammon has not delivered as regularly as I think he can, but also was not a natural partner for Martin. It's going to be interesting to see who ends up as the first choice striker pairing.

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I am not sure how you can class Gjokaj as a poor Championship CB when he has never played their for over 10 minutes for us. I am also bemused for you to say Conor Sammon as a poor Championship striker. You ask a defender in that league about Conor Sammon and they would say he absolutely terrorised us. Wasn't it after our 2-0 win at home to Barnsley when their manager came out and said that Sammon was an absolute menace. Also a full international for his country.

Full international means nothing.

It was Peterborough who said Sammon terrorised their defence, and Gabriel Zukani was useless at the back.

I don't want to turn this into a Sammon debate.

I think Sammon is a good asset to the team but a poor player if you understand. He does a quality job defensively, as a striker. Closing down the opposition he is the best in the league.

I don't think it will take long before Russell and Martin are the number 1 choice pairing. Then in a 433 Ward Martin Russell.

Because good players don't need to run themselves ragged closing down if as a team we have better movement.

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I am not sure how you can class Gjokaj as a poor Championship CB when he has never played their for over 10 minutes for us. I am also bemused for you to say Conor Sammon as a poor Championship striker. You ask a defender in that league about Conor Sammon and they would say he absolutely terrorised us. Wasn't it after our 2-0 win at home to Barnsley when their manager came out and said that Sammon was an absolute menace. Also a full international for his country.

well if you rate him on ability like it says, he is a poor championship striker. If you rate him on effort, work rate etc thats where he's a threat. He has minimal ability but I suppose each to their own with judgement!
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Grant 7

Fielding 5

Legzdins 5

Atkins 3

Deeney 1

Morch N/A

 

Brayford 8

Keogh 7

Barker 6

Buxton 5

Freeman 5 (might rise)

O'Brien 5 (might rise)

O'Connor 4

Naylor 3

Hoganson N/A

Gjokaj N/A

Hanson N/A

Lelan N/A

 

Hughes 7 (might rise)

Hendrick 6 (might rise)

Bryson 6

Jacobs 5

Coutts 5

Davies 5

Bailey 4

 

Ward 7

Sammon 6

Martin 6

Robinson 5

Ball 3

Tyson 3

Doyle 2

Bennett N/A

Russell N/A

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I'm surprised how low people rate our squad to be honest  :huh:

 

Maybe, I've set my standards wrong. 

 

For me, just to give an 'external' comparison.

 

10 - Loic Remy, Royston Drenthe and James McCarthy
9 - Adel Taarabt, Shaun Maloney and Liam Bridcutt

8 - Anthony Knockaert, Will Buckley and Chris Eagles

7 - James Vaughan, Henri Lansbury and Luke Chambers

6 - Paul Green, Chris McCann and Greg Halford

5 - Marcus Tudgay, Lee Novak and Jamie Vardy

 

Just some standards for how I've rated the players too. 

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