EdinburghRam Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 More exercise in schools isn't the answer, it may help a few individuals but heres only a finite amount of time in a schools timetable, which is the main driving force in limiting the amount of PE Games time pupils get. During my GCSE and A-level years if they had forced Sports lessons on me I wouldnt have had enough time to complete my 5 A-levels and so the required amount of private study. i know that in the 6th form you generally get Free Periods, but these are actually meant as Study Periods - because the A-level courses require a certain amount of time available for self study during the school week Not everyone enjoys sports or exercise - but that doesn't mean that they will become obese if they don't do it. I knew lots of people at School that did naff all exercise and didn't become obese. Similarly doing lots of exercise at school doesnt necessarily mean you will stay healthy and not become Obese. I Knew lots of people too who played rugby, football etc but became Obese on leaving school when that ready made sports environment was removed. I do agree that the cost of healthier foods is too high. when I was growing up a Marathon (Snickers for the younger amongst us) cost more than a loaf of bread - now it is the other way round Chocolate and nice stuff cost relatively more in the old days and it was seen rightfully as on occasional treat. Now because it is relatively cheaper it is seen as the norm. I understand that there is limited time available in school but easily more than one a week can be spared. Another big problem (in my school anyway) was that the time in gym wasn't utilised properly. It took the teachers twenty minutes to get anything sorted. There should be a minimum of 4hours a week, in two hour blocks so they can get properly organised and use more of the time available. This would be a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 I understand that there is limited time available in school but easily more than one a week can be spared. Another big problem (in my school anyway) was that the time in gym wasn't utilised properly. It took the teachers twenty minutes to get anything sorted. There should be a minimum of 4hours a week, in two hour blocks so they can get properly organised and use more of the time available. This would be a start. There isn't enough time on the timetable for that. There are minimum requirements fir the number of hours needed to be taught each week for GCSE and A-level subjects. At my school we barely met those minimums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghRam Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 There isn't enough time on the timetable for that. There are minimum requirements fir the number of hours needed to be taught each week for GCSE and A-level subjects. At my school we barely met those minimums. Similarly with the exams up here. Let's be honest though, the exams are really no where near as hard as is made out. Our society needs to encourage more than just academic achievement and I don't think that happens enough. I don't believe school is challenging enough, and it just becomes boring for the large majority. Educational reform is needed, with this we can refocus efforts on health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Similarly with the exams up here. Let's be honest though, the exams are really no where near as hard as is made out. Our society needs to encourage more than just academic achievement and I don't think that happens enough. I don't believe school is challenging enough, and it just becomes boring for the large majority. Educational reform is needed, with this we can refocus efforts on health. Having done a lot of past papers preparing for my PGCE I would say the content and questions are not easier, but how it is assessed makes the difference. Modular v Linear, that's why the government are moving back to everything being linear and one set of exams at the end of the course, instead of 6 through the year and the best 4 scores count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perky1106 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 So many of these right-wing health care arguments are ignorant and ridiculous. They fail to consider that heart disease, obesity and cancer are genetic. Not everyone ill in hospital needing expensive treatments with your tax money are there because they abused their body, a lot of them are just unlucky. Also, taxing fast food outlets won't help. Just like pubs/bars/clubs are full of people who will always need a drink McDonalds is full of people who will always feel like a burger. Also, the NHS is a system that allows us to live our lives and have a choice of how we live our lives. Does anyone really want to live in a country that polices how many pints we drink, how much saturated fat we eat and the occasional fag? It would restrict our liberties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghRam Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 So many of these right-wing health care arguments are ignorant and ridiculous. They fail to consider that heart disease, obesity and cancer are genetic. Not everyone ill in hospital needing expensive treatments with your tax money are there because they abused their body, a lot of them are just unlucky. Also, taxing fast food outlets won't help. Just like pubs/bars/clubs are full of people who will always need a drink McDonalds is full of people who will always feel like a burger. Also, the NHS is a system that allows us to live our lives and have a choice of how we live our lives. Does anyone really want to live in a country that polices how many pints we drink, how much saturated fat we eat and the occasional fag? It would restrict our liberties. If you had properly read what I said you wouldn't be saying this, I specifically refer to illness that is caused by the person through abuse (thus not genetic illnesses). I'm actually not even going to bother replying to the rest of your points as it's clear you haven't read what I've written from your first two paragraphs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted September 1, 2011 Author Share Posted September 1, 2011 The thread has gone into arguing about lifestyle choices. Pity. There is a huge, life changing decision being made here, and its hardly being debated in the press, telly or radio. I guess the 3 parties have collaborated to sneak this in, otherwise some MP's would be speaking out. Unless they are that lazy that they haven't read the small print. The really sickening thing is, I don't actually blame the Tories. Yes, they have always fought tooth and nail against the principle of a National Health Service, right from the word go back in the 1940's. All they are doing is seizing the moment. They sense that apathy, and the lies pulped out about not being able to afford free healthcare, have reduced our interest in politics enough to let it happen. No, the Tory party detest the very notion of the peasants being treated the same as them, thats why they have managed to divert public money to prop up the Private Health companies (they cannot exist without taxpayers cash), but the real, evil, people here who will take this country back 60 years are the Labour Party. Tony Blair and Gordon Brown followed Thatcher's lead in allowing privatisation to creep in to our Hospitals by the back door. False targets, cutbacks and tendering out other services like cleaning the wards, slowly eroded the fabric of the greatest Public health system in the world. If Labour had stayed loyal to this one, sacred belief, the current bunch of bankers, asset-strippers and casino capitalists would not have dared touch it due to the backlash and a future Labour government's promise to take Britain's health care back into public ownership for the benefit of all our people. Sadly, "New" Labour sold us down the river in the name of profiteering at all costs. Tory-Lite would be a better name. They are as guilty as the chinless wonders of Eton like Cameron and Osbourne, who are heirs to multi-million pound trust funds, and will always have enough money to pay the doctor. I won't apologise for ranting.....it is the off topic section after all. I will declare an interest though. I have several very close family members who would not be here now if it wasn't for the NHS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghRam Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 The thread has gone into arguing about lifestyle choices. Pity. lifestyle choices which, in my opinion, should be taken into account with the healthcare debate. You clearly believe that everybody, no matter what they do, deserve health care. I do not. It all comes down to lifestyle choices, not class as you suggest later on in your post. I've chosen to 'ignore' the rest of your post because, to be honest, I'm not particularly interested in British politics anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 The thread has gone into arguing about lifestyle choices. Pity. There is a huge, life changing decision being made here, and its hardly being debated in the press, telly or radio. I guess the 3 parties have collaborated to sneak this in, otherwise some MP's would be speaking out. Unless they are that lazy that they haven't read the small print. The really sickening thing is, I don't actually blame the Tories. Yes, they have always fought tooth and nail against the principle of a National Health Service, right from the word go back in the 1940's. All they are doing is seizing the moment. They sense that apathy, and the lies pulped out about not being able to afford free healthcare, have reduced our interest in politics enough to let it happen. No, the Tory party detest the very notion of the peasants being treated the same as them, thats why they have managed to divert public money to prop up the Private Health companies (they cannot exist without taxpayers cash), but the real, evil, people here who will take this country back 60 years are the Labour Party. Tony Blair and Gordon Brown followed Thatcher's lead in allowing privatisation to creep in to our Hospitals by the back door. False targets, cutbacks and tendering out other services like cleaning the wards, slowly eroded the fabric of the greatest Public health system in the world. If Labour had stayed loyal to this one, sacred belief, the current bunch of bankers, asset-strippers and casino capitalists would not have dared touch it due to the backlash and a future Labour government's promise to take Britain's health care back into public ownership for the benefit of all our people. Sadly, "New" Labour sold us down the river in the name of profiteering at all costs. Tory-Lite would be a better name. They are as guilty as the chinless wonders of Eton like Cameron and Osbourne, who are heirs to multi-million pound trust funds, and will always have enough money to pay the doctor. I won't apologise for ranting.....it is the off topic section after all. I will declare an interest though. I have several very close family members who would not be here now if it wasn't for the NHS. Sadly i have to agree with a great deal of this, the BMA stand firmly against this despite the hundreds of changes within the bill, the guardian have written a half decent piece on the subject actually. The bill is in my opinion the most dangerous piece of legislation in years, because it has the ability to essentially destroy the NHS with the health secretary not having to provide health care. The budgets in hospitals are really tight as it is believe me i know people who work there and some of the scrimping and saving is scary. The money for hospitals isn't there at the moment, despite what Cameron says the hospitals budgets are being squeezed. One of my dearest family members could be extremely ill and have a life threatening condition, thankfully the NHS provides all treatment without us having to pay a penny, without this where would our family be? i have no idea, my sister has been in hospital and was treated amazingly well and i have had several broken bones treated. The NHS is under threat and it did start with New Labour deals with the likes of PFI etc cost a lot of money for very little and let the private market have a share. The people of this country need to grow some backbone, we at the moment are apathetic resigned to our fate, yes the tories and lib dems will both get a kicking next election but we need to stop this bill passing. I believe everyone deserves free healthcare not just those that look after themselves or have a job, but everyone that was the foundation principle of the NHS, and if we want to retain the NHS we have to retain that principle at the core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 It seems an appropriate time to post this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GseyaEibb_4&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghRam Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 It seems an appropriate time to post this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GseyaEibb_4&feature=related If you fully believe that then I feel sorry for you. No doubt big business holds a huge amount of power but that's just untrue. I can and will make a difference to that country and the world. "we choose to go to the moon..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Where did I say I believed it myself? And please do not feel the need to feel sorry for me. Just out of interest do you consider yourself superior to the words of a great man like George Carlin? Or like him, you're just offering an opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggg Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 general election no.......politics......no:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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