tropicalgrav Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I know a lot can be read into these facts, and perhaps some are not strictly accurate, but these are the figures, season by season, since GSE took over of the transfer activity. I know wages have not been take into account, but I just wanted to show the actual transfer figures. Only players who have a transfer fee are included: Season 07/08 Transfers In: Savage, Villa, Sterjovski - £4m Transfers Out: Howard, Oakley, Griffin, Macken - £3.25m Season 08/09 Transfers In: Davies, Dickinson, Hulse, Ellington(loan fee) - £4m Transfers Out: Earnshaw, Miller, Jones, Fagan - £6.6m Season 09/10 Transfers In: Moxey, Barker - £1.4m Transfers Out: Mears, Villa, Dickinson, Nyatanga - £2.8m Season 10/11 - cont Transfers In: Brayford, Bailey, Davies - £1.3m Transfers Out: Hulse, Commons - £1.3m Totals: In -£10.7m Out - £13.95m As I said, I'm here to give facts not to give opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4-2-3-1 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I'm not best pleased with the situation, but you also have to take into account signing on fees for all the players signed on "free transfers" and having to pay off the likes of claude davis. Even so, I would assume the net spend will be a negative sum, albeit a small one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Wheres varney in your list of facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4-2-3-1 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 there was also a sizeable loan fee for bueno, or so we are led to believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRam Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 lol @ Commons and Hulse. Two top scorers...sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 You've missed some players, Varney and Martin for example. You've included the loan fee we paid for Ellington but missed off the other twenty or so, some like Bueno, Stoor and Tonge could have been pretty sizable. Also we would have got fees in for players, such as Barnes and Mears, when they were loaned out. Also, at least half of those players inyour list were transferred for undisclosed fees. How do you come to your figures? Whilst I think your point is a valid one - GSE appear to have made a small profit on transfers, calling it fact is somewhat pushing the truth. When you take into account agents and signing on fees they probably have made a small loss. That makes me question there approach more than if they had actually made some money. GSE seem to be failing both on and off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex W Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 We also miss off the huge fee paid to Claude to pay him off on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnClement Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I believe that the board have bought £16m worth of shares and that the debt which at peak may have been over £50 has been reduced to £12m. However if we getr releghated, which is certainly possible with the current squad, the reduction in revenue is likely to see a sizeable increase in the debt. The biggest worry for me is nothing is coming through the academy, youth team or reserves, including yet another poor performance in the youth cup, and yet another loss to a lower division side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteDerby Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I believe that the board have bought £16m worth of shares and that the debt which at peak may have been over £50 has been reduced to £12m. However if we getr releghated, which is certainly possible with the current squad, the reduction in revenue is likely to see a sizeable increase in the debt. The biggest worry for me is nothing is coming through the academy, youth team or reserves, including yet another poor performance in the youth cup, and yet another loss to a lower division side. Your numbers are miles out, John, but share your worry on the other points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Look, why let facts get in the way of a good RANT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteDerby Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Whatever the numbers on these transfers in and out, Ramblur has done great work on the level of investment and, even being generous for the areas of ambiguity, GSE's investment is still roughly £20million light on the £50million they promised when gaining control. That remains my issue, because had they brought it with them, all of these debates would have been null and void. Lack of investment is the crux of the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rigamortis Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Whatever the numbers on these transfers in and out, Ramblur has done great work on the level of investment and, even being generous for the areas of ambiguity, GSE's investment is still roughly £20million light on the £50million they promised when gaining control. That remains my issue, because had they brought it with them, all of these debates would have been null and void. Lack of investment is the crux of the matter. About 3 months ago Ramblur wrote a post about some information he recieved which might put a different angle on things. Will that ever come to lighjt ramblur? i know you didn't want to mention it at the time as it was confidential - is there any chance of letting out of the bag now? I'm really struggling to see what the board are trying to achieve - and I just wish we could no for sure either way... Until NC comes out and publically says he's had enough - I've got to suspect it's a mutual plan.. but god these are tough times to keep the faith... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Whatever the numbers on these transfers in and out, Ramblur has done great work on the level of investment and, even being generous for the areas of ambiguity, GSE's investment is still roughly £20million light on the £50million they promised when gaining control. That remains my issue, because had they brought it with them, all of these debates would have been null and void. Lack of investment is the crux of the matter. A few bad results and everyone starts questioning GSE...you bandwagon jumper Pete:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 About 3 months ago Ramblur wrote a post about some information he recieved which might put a different angle on things. Will that ever come to lighjt ramblur? i know you didn't want to mention it at the time as it was confidential - is there any chance of letting out of the bag now? I'm really struggling to see what the board are trying to achieve - and I just wish we could no for sure either way... Until NC comes out and publically says he's had enough - I've got to suspect it's a mutual plan.. but god these are tough times to keep the faith... I think Ramblur said it would be verifiable in the next accounts, and that he would wait till then to comment further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rigamortis Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I think Ramblur said it would be verifiable in the next accounts, and that he would wait till then to comment further. Do you know when they are published Dav please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 April I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourneagain Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I admit to being as thick as a whale omlette but i just can't get my head around why these people have bought into our club. Is there any benefit re; tax exposure in one juristiction if you can claim to be investing in a sporting franchise in another juristiction? I seem to recall some tax dodge in the 80's when those with money started buying up large swathes of woodland in scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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