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Yeah they should do Joshua v Zhang. Better than Joshua v Hrgovic which is what it will be. Now the Saudis are in it all seems possible but the atmosphere was dead. Was like one of Frank's leisure center shows. The constant rimming of a Prince every time anyone spoke was a bit sickly too. A big cheer for Bin Salman was as loud as it got until Joshua came out.

Yeah he sounded like he has one foot in retirement. Not really the sport for out staying your welcome. Took defeat too well. Been relaxed in the build up. Not the Wilder we know at all

Credit to Parker too. Game plan was spot on. Took Wilders right hand away from him, tucked the chin, fought small, came up and under using Wilders height against him Wilder always makes the most basic mistake of going back in straight lines. He only gets away with it because of his size. Joshua demolition job. Bullied Wallin. Easy peasy. Lol @ Miller. Lollolololol

Glad Arthur hung on. He's always gun shy but tonight can't blame him.

Willingness to create big events - 9/10 Putting up money to create fights no UK promotion or TV company could 10/10 Atmosphere 0/10 Production value 0/10

Bunce annoys the f out of me.

Never been one for conspiracy theories but I hope they're remembered for being on the wrong side of history. "I've always spoken out against the settlements".... Sure you have guys. Sure you have Rupert Murdoch has been grafting

One of the best cards in many years this weekend. Predictions anyone? Joshua will flatten Wallin in mid to late rounds I think. Joshua looks like the hunger and spite is back after the last couple of years he's had. Wilder v Parker. Wilder should be the favourite as he's fit, fast and proven he has heart. He loses rounds all the time though and has been rocked by so many lesser fighters. But if he lands it's over. That could happen inside round 1. A decent chance of an upset but still pretty unlikely. Dubois v Miller. Miller is a big plodding donkey and if Dubois doesn't outpoint him then he should probably give up world title dreams. Miller is where he is because of his big mouth. I remember watching him against Dino(?) and he couldn't keep up with a part timer desperate to take a dive. The Lucas Browne fight was one of those really bad gypsie fights where two great orcs slog it out while 5 onlookers fall asleep. Part of me wants him to win so Joshua completely ends him. Absolute knob. Bivol v Arthur. Come on. We only here to watch Bivol. Arthur's win over Yarde seems like a bit of good timing now. He's a bit gun shy and won't win a round Opetaia v Zorro. Never seen Opetaia. Never seen Zorro but his biggest win is Hosea Burton? Meh. Opetaia beat Breidis who I have seen fight and I really thought he was good. So I'm guessing Opetaia routine win? Hrgovic v De Mori. Again. We only here to see Hrgovic (who is overrated imo). De Mori is the guy that fought David Haye... I think in Haye's great channel 5 comeback days? And he couldn't wait to drop?

Best advice is don't take advice really. What works for one baby might not work for the next. And when you're tired like you've never been tired before you don't need to be asking yourself why something isn't working how it's supposed to. Ignore most 'tips and tricks" There's stupid ones that you think you obviously already know of but when you've had 4 hours sleep in 2 days then it's easy to go against. Don't put a baby in bed/on sofa with you when you know you're tired. It's obvious but when you're wrecked it's easy to convince yourself that you are just resting. The other would be that it's ok to let a baby cry sometimes otherwise they can drive you to the edge of a breakdown. Morbid advice I know. But imo all the helpful advice is hit and miss. Except enjoy it. And as @Wolfiesaid, enjoy the smell. It's hard to enjoy it because it's hard but you can easily end up wishing they'd grow up and then when they grow up you wish they were babies again Congratulations!

I think they are being surgical. They're doing exactly what they said they'd do and nothing has been by mistake. Accept that 3 civilians shot dead were Jews and not Muslims. The whole idea that they ever had moral authority for the last few decades (if ever) or that it's possible for the occupier to defend itself from the occupied is hugely debatable anyway. The backtracking is good but until the West is prepared to make some admissions then Hamas and groups like Hamas will continue to resist. The clue is in American military history. I have a feeling that Palestinians might not be as eager to accept peace as imagined. I know the West probably thinks they will get to pick the terms of peace but I very much doubt the mass murder and humiliation will be forgotten quickly. This is the thing about Palestinians that so many seem oblivious to. They won't submit. Again, historical clues. We'll be back here again and again until they're treated equally. Holding a gun to their head telling them the terms of peace fixes nothing. They tend to remember the gun

There's so many films I've not seen all the way through but they're inappropriate to name.

Owen's channel also has a good interview with former IDF soldier Ariel Bernstein. Goes quite well with an LBC interview with Matt Frei who speaks about the weak Israeli government. Both are pretty balanced. Not the hard-line Pro Palestinian approach that paints Israel evil.

Meanwhile Sky News run a story on Palestinians rushing aid trucks. Good journalism. No agenda at all.

Someone said earlier in the thread about Hamas celebrating and cheering the killing of Jews on October 7th. This is true. There was also lots of confusion and arguing between militants that has lead to speculation that Hamas didn't know about the festival in advance and that the leadership lost control of rampaging militants. Now we over the last few days we've seen IDF soldiers behave in a similar way. They also video their own war crimes. After someone in this thread said Hamas aren't that smart I hope we can extend this to the IDF too. Their propaganda has been awful. Someone in the thread mentioned crisis actors, another comment that hasn't aged well thanks to the terrible Israeli propaganda. The highlight of the week goes to the Israeli Ambassador to the UK finally telling the truth of the terrorist Likud party in English on an English Channel. So everyone who's had their fingers in their ears when Smotrich has threatened the Kingdom Of Jordan and given Palestinians 3 interesting choices, well, now you don't even need Google translate. I've noticed a lot less disguised Islamophobia on TV as desperate pro Israelis try to make a case. Now the video above shows that even the ever biased CNN can't deny these crimes against humanity. In this thread it's been implied that support for Palestine is a disguise for Antisemitism. People have backed Israeli lies as if the truth wasn't bad enough. People have been outraged that words like genocide and murder are attributed to Netenyahu and Co. People have said that calling out the likes of Stamer, Sunak and Braverman is adding fuel to the fire. All said by people that have barely (or not at all) acknowledged Palestinian suffering. Or given it brief "it's unfortunate" before complaining about antagonistic comments on a war that's seen tonnes of explosives randomly dropped on Gaza. The video above is from this war. But it might give some perspective on why members of Hamas did what they did. Why they'll do it again. It doesn't condone it. But this war is supported by the majority in Israel. And what's the death count in West Bank? The video above is also pretty tame in comparison to the Al Jazeera stuff. Supporting Israel in this action is being on the wrong side of history. State Terrorism. Ethnic cleansing. But don't dare accuse them of the G word. That's offensive.

Lots of talk when America will say enough is enough. Could be soon. Just need Israel to hurry up and level the rest of Gaza before they say "whoa guys! You need to stop. We told you no more mass destruction with the weapons we sell you". The whole thing is an exercise in bs anyway. There's no way Hamas will surrender or stop fighting. They'd repeat October 7th attacks again tomorrow if they could. Israel said from the start what they would have to do to destroy Hamas. And people chose to ignore what they were actually saying and quote the PR version. Now, if you want Hamas gone you have to stick by that. No ceasefire, no fake sympathy. To destroy the ideology you have to destroy Gaza and the spirit of every Palestinian there. Make it a wasteland nobody can operate from. Just like Israel said back in October. So enjoy the carnage. Good on America for sticking by it's principals. Better than pretending a Palestinian resistance was ever going to be destroyed any other way and now not having the stomach to go through with it. Hopefully they get their fill of dead Palestinian children so that when this is the West Bank we can actually forget "we don't negotiate with terrorists" and find out what we need to do for Palestinians to reject groups like Hamas.

There's nothing wrong with the fight if you're a neutral or Haney fan. Just Prograis didn't get into his rhythm. Didn't expect such a gulf in class. Prograis is tough. Wasn't even close though.

Ok. So that was disappointing. Not even close

Irony when the leader of democracy overrules the decision of the many.

The reason being a ceasefire now would leave Hamas standing. A pathetic case. America sells Israel these dumb bombs and claims to care about Palestinian civilians. Has anyone seen the amount of explosives dumped on Gaza put into context? And even when Palestinians die in their thousands they have to face the indignity of "they're faking it" stories. Which is ironic. When it comes to debunked claims it's actually belly laugh funny that anybody could take anything Israel say seriously. There's sooooo many lies that they're exposed for. Things they delete, backtrack on, call a mistake (but don't remove) etc etc. I'm guessing these private theatre showings for journalists don't include the footage of a Palestinian man digging his two dead little girls out of rubble? Maybe they were "dolls" too?? Suppose it's hard to get hold of some footage with all the journalists being killed. 5,000 Hamas dead? That's Israel's numbers which we know their maths isn't always too hot. Only 30k/35k left. Assuming the half million men of fighting age fully understand why they lost their entire family and face a future living in a tent without food and water. They'll be fine with it. Israel has a right to self defence

Well the ICJ ruled against their claims if that counts for anything anymore. Probably not This comes back to the British Empire too doesn't it? It's a tough gig Imperialism. I don't know why everyone fancies a shot at it. Thought Venezuela was under strict sanctions already? What they going to do when America hits them with more? Flirt with China, Russia, Iran?

There's plenty more of this on his channel if you have the stomach.

Give up hope all together. That's the utterly depressing reality We are so polarised. Our hate and fear is so easy to weaponize. What does your average Israeli Jew want? Peace, wealth and health. You're average Palestinian Muslim? Peace, wealth, health. Neither want war. Yet somehow we get the many to want to kill each other for the benefit of the few. Amazing really. But this conflict... Hate and loss is runs so deep that I don't think there will ever be peace. Israel and Palestine appeal to the worst in each other. Like this thread really. You see how it escalates. Pointing fingers about who's done the most wrong. Justifying violence. It just gets hold of you. What? Are both sides going to back track and offer a brotherly hand out. Learn that you can live side by side? No chance. The damage is irreparable Depressing as feck.

This above image imo is genocidal talk. And there's plenty more where these come from. These aren't even the worst. Smotrich has plenty of gems and Netenyahu referenced Amalek which is bizarre All far more prejudice than anything I imagine Lineker saying. But I can't be sure because I don't pay any attention to him to be honest. As for genocide, I read this earlier https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/opinion/israel-gaza-genocide-war.html Interesting it mentions the Rome Statute which Israel didn't sign off on. Along with America, Russia and Sudan. Now that article concludes that technically, no, this isn't genocide. If the greatest offence in all this to anybody is that it's wrongly being called a genocide when it's more just crimes against humanity, maybe a touch of ethnic cleansing, then I think they need to fix their moral compass. Also, I saw a comparison between the civilian death rate of this war and other horrific wars. 1% of Gaza population is dead. It isn't a comparison Israel would want to be seen but I've not actually got the data and I'm at work so not got time to search it out