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Right at the start of this thread the Palestinians were accused of using actors. Has there ever been more incompetent and inconsistent propaganda by any country than the current form Israel are in. Some of it is just funny. Like actually distracts you from the insanity and makes you laugh. We've got actual actors, videos from 2016, images from Lebanese movies, videos posted and then deleted to reappear "unedited", glaring errors and inconsistency in reports and pictures. It's error after error after error. While at the same time senior Israeli officials say the most outrageous things about sending all Palestinians to Egypt and driving them out of Gaza. Like actually saying it out loud. Max Hastings was clear about what Netenyahu said when he met him It's like the world has the biggest elephant in any room in history. How can anyone anywhere look themselves in the mirror and say supporting what Israel are doing in Gaza right now is self defence, self preservation or even about destroying Hamas. It just isn't. It really really isn't and Israel admit it day by day. But still we pretend. How much of our media can't even pretend to be impartial now because it will expose Israel. They have to pick small pieces of the events and ignore or reject a huge part of what's being said and what's going on. This is so criminal. 2023 that time Britain watched Gaza be slaughtered and couldn't even explain why it was necessary. Couldn't even protect the most vulnerable. Couldn't even keep the poor b******* safe in designated safezones. Can't even say "ceasefire".

That's was an obvious foul by Maguire, no?

Land of the free. Home of the brave. Blurgh 🤢🤮

Good race but too much about it was annoying and infuriating. Was it in Vegas?

Fair enough mate. I genuinely hope I haven't caused offence.

I didn't start a thread. This was split from the Ukraine thread and my post was a reply in that thread. Many years ago in the building trade we had a young Palestinian lad working with us. That's when I first began to take an interest from his stories. My passion grew for it over the years. Especially at what I felt was biased media coverage. My wife works with a Palestinian who's family are in West Bank right now. And my best friend is a Muslim who I've see the racist abuse he's had. This all forms my bias and sympathy. Then it's further reinforced by what I see as an Apartheid regime illegally taking lands through violence and consistently protected by America who's interest in the Middle East is obvious. Israel are their dog. A couple of years back I had a Palestinian flag as my avatar. Somebody had a Israeli flag and @GboroRam removed both flags. I threw a wobbler and felt even this is a small example of the voice being supressed. Gboro explained that it's just not the trouble to forum needs. Looking back that's probably fair. So I've purposely never started the thread. I briefly touched on it in the Ukraine thread. So when October 7th happened I still didn't start a thread. But I'm not one of those racists jumping on the bandwagon. I don't see October as such a big event as you. And I know, that sentence in isolation might be pretty disgusting. But to me, Palestinians have been killed in thousands for years. They've faced terrorism. They've been set on fire, shot, beaten, tortured... So that Jews should be killed by Hamas was just another page in this book. More killing of innocent people by one of the vile armed groups. Did you think I enjoyed October 7th? That I thought it was deserved? Absolutely not. I promise. I've seen the videos. The beatings, the shoving people into buildings and tossing grenades in. The confusion because Hamas militants seemed to lose their heads when let loose. Lots of arguing amongst themselves. Lots of nasty violence. But, the only thing new about this was that it was happening to Jews and that it was all in one day. The barbarity? Not new. Never gets easy to watch but not new. So I kind of was looking at the conflict on a wider scale. Which is what many Pro Israelis are doing now while Gaza is put to the sword. I don't think that makes them all racist. As for the newer supporters to Palestine. I don't think they're all racists. I think the fact we can go and get news from so many different sources has made more people aware of the situation. That the Ukraine war has been massive for giving people a moral dilemma when it comes to accepting Americas narrative.

A few points. Do I think posts like mine fuel antisemetism? Yes. Because I think racists will piggyback any cause that's aimed at their target. 9/11. Racists birthday party. But that doesn't mean everybody who supported "war on terror" was motivated by racism. Any pro Palestinian supporter, including Jews and Jews For Justice For Palestinians can't allow the argument against Israel to be silenced by cries of antisemetism. Just like the racists mobs that tag along must be condemned and actually irreparable harm to the cause. As for "if you only target Israel..." Well I criticise America all the time. ALL the time. I despise American and Russian war games. I despise American Imperialism. I was in the Ukraine thread criticising America to the very point I felt like I was defending Putin! But Russia are just the other side of the coin and the actual invasion was a indefensible. But many of Putin's claims about American Imperialism I felt were valid. Are you implying my passion for this conflict is motivated by a hatred of Jews? I could explain why personally I care but I don't see how it's relevant when I'm just some knobber on a football forum. As for Hamas are the only criminals. Absolute nonsense. Totally not true. An incredible claim

Criticise Israel. Get called Antisemetic. Standard I stand with the Jews, Christians, Catholics, Muslims etc that oppose Israel's aggressive expansionists campaign against Semite people. Against the Arab Muslims who don't know what prejudice is. If it makes people feel better to call such a stance antisemetic or label us Nazis then that's fine. Absolutely fine. Because the calls won't be stifled by this scare tactic. There's Jewish protesters in America being verbally abused by Jews right now for their stance on Israel. Islamophobia increased by 600%. So? Attacks on Muslims increase every time some lunatic twists the words of the Qur'an and carries out some horrific act of terrorism. Muslim communities have to defend themselves on quite a regular basis. And when a vile humans like Suella Braverman press activate on right wing mobs to come and defend our shores from these terrorists. But we must be careful not to offend her. Feck her. Racist. Muslim communities feel insecure as UKIP, EDL, BNP etc have their marches and campaigns. Commonly misrepresented in TV and Hollywood. I said the other day. Click on the mainstream media comments section. See the open racism. Not even disguised Rachel Riley - 'Nobody cared about Muslims before and they only care now because they're antisemetic'.... Yes Rachel. Nobody did care before. So we've established that. Good. Now let's analyse why they care now? Is it because they're antisemetic or is it possible that Israel don't represent all Jews and the IDF are terrorists? ..... Anyway, I realise what I'm doing is comparing racism rather than condemning all of it. Of course there's a rise in antisemetism. There's hate in the air. Every Nazi out there will piggyback on this. But it's a classic defence of Israel to play this card. As if there isn't a million reasons to be against Israel's policy. Whenever you look at Israeli defence it's based around being the victim. Being surrounded by enemies. Being a population of people persecuted through history. Being systematically tortured and slaughtered by Hitler. At what point does this stop being context and become an excuse for their behaviour. It's a brutal question. But when? When all the Palestinians are pushed into Sinai? When 20,000 Gazans are dead? 200,000? When the West Bank is 10% smaller? 20%? When Israel borders Iran? When the tension between Iran and Saudi reaches an all time high? When the oil rich nation of Iran must beg America to take it's resources at great discount through the "peace corridor"? When? When does context become excuse? Never? Netenyahu and his mob are Zionist war criminals. As vile as Hamas. There are many Zionist lunatics in Israel. And it's these we must oppose. As we must seek to remove Hamas in a realistic way. If they want to hide behind antisemetism then you must accept the label and drive on. With support from the countless Jews who recognise the Apartheid regime. I hope I haven't offended any Jews. I don't think I've been racist here. My anger is purely at the Imperial scum who disgustingly hide behind the atrocities commited against Jewish people while they kill Palestine's future

Is true that Israel discovered the Hamas guard duty rota on an Arabic calender in a hospital? And the guards were called Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday... 🤣

Don't mock! If you watch the original video then you'll see that they found a stack of CD's next to a Lenovo T490 laptop. Clearly the CD's contained many of Hamas secrets. Secrets Hamas don't even know themselves because the Lenovo T490 laptop doesn't have a CD drive

Come on!! It's a banging card! Forget all that UFC Judo nonsense where the best aren't protected. This is a real sport. With tradition. Where fighting ability is second only to commercial value. And now the Crown Prince, a thoroughly decent bloke according to his captives, is going to force the best to fight the best. Embrace your inner Neville. Show your anger with a £30 box office purchase. Stfu and don't be negative at Christmas.

My Mrs said what about ethics and morals. I've double checked but I can't see them on the undercard?

Fury v Usyk in Feb. These Saudis are never getting the money back they must be paying for these events but jeez, finally fights are getting made. A lot are annoyed it isn't AJ Wilder but I think it's smart from the Saudis to run this card. They definitely seem to be willing to pay out for the big fights and AJ and Wilder could both do with a booster. So let's hope both win and we get that. Joshua is being an absolute knob and I love it. For too long he didn't have anything to prove and now he finally is back in that place.

Hamas militant to face disciplinary committee. Hamas militant Amir Jamal Nabil is to face a disciplinary procedure after IDF Forces discovered his uniform inside the Al Shifa hospital as seen in the viral video posted by the Israeli Ministry of Defence. Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh said "The hospital was a command center for our operations against the Zionist invaders. We had three days to evacuate the building and remove all evidence. We are all extremely disappointed that Amir has compromised our efforts" A source close to Amir had this to say, "Amir was a difficult even when we were cadets. He would often show up on the parade ground in his pyjamas. He always had a fear of guns and would refuse to carry a weapon while on patrol." The latest video from Israeli government also shows the effort they are making to help the local population. Dozens of boxes labeled "MeDiCaL SuPpLiEs" in English can be seen all facing the camera within the hospital grounds. It also shows a neatly folded Hamas uniform complete with bright green headband on a table. We can't verify whether the uniform did belong to Amir Jamal Nabil but our source did conclude "Amir suffered with OCD. Sometimes he would insist that all human shields were arranged in height order."

Anyone else feeling a little bit better about human rights violations if it gives us a card like the Saudi one on the 23rd December?

Easily done isn't it? Mixing up an evil terrorist organisation with a liberal democratic state. That HQ will be shut down soon anyway. When Hamas are defeated.

Want to see discrimination? Listen to Suella and any politician talk about "them". If that was about Jews... Click on any UK mainstream media coverage of the conflict and read the comments. Tell me who the vast majority of discriminate comments are aimed at. Do it. Go look right now and cycle through. Even the Pro Palestine comments tend to be anti Israel and nothing about Jews more broadly We have headlines from GB News etc that say "is this what our country fought for"... Irony. Lots and lots of irony. WW2 produced a Jewish State but we didn't fight to let "them" support an Arab State Jewish lives, Ukrainian lives, Arab lives. Are they all given the same value? What would happen if everybody like Tommy Robinson changed the words "Muslims" to "Jews". Would they have the same freedom and support? I bet you can go on something like Twitter right now and see the open way people speak about "them" and "they". Where they should go and what they should do. What's left "Britain Broken". Who are they refering to? I don't really like things like Islamophobia Month. But that's this is why it exists. Shoving Anti racism campaigns at people.... I'm not sure it helps? I dunno. I don't care to be honest. I believe Britain to be a tolerant country and sometimes it's annoying to be constantly told we are all racist, homophobic, planet murderers. It's like a relentless attack from campaigns. But if we're going to look for say antisemitism then let's not look past stuff like this. Because in this particular debate it's often used to stifle arguments. Arguments being made by/on behalf of Arab/Muslim/Semite people of all people!

Took some leaps there

Oh I'm sure a video will pop up of a Hamas officer inside the hospital. They killed an Al Jazeera journalists (Shireen?) and provided video proof it wasn't them. CNN investigated Israel later admitted it was probably them. So I guarantee there will be some discovery in the hospital. I mean, Hamas are going to use such places so it could be true. But the whole point is.... It's a hospital. That's what is infuriating. "They're hiding in hospitals!"..... So? What? Just bomb the hospital? Just turn the power off? Are you sure you're any better than Hamas? Tough to claim the moral high ground when you play tit for tat with a Terrorist Organisation. And with all that technology you still kill civilians at a rate Hamas can't compete with. Fed up of their logic just being accepted.

That's been kept quiet? I knew he was Jewish but I didn't know a "proud Zionist"

Yes. I'm sure Palestinians are less likely to to support Hamas now. I certainly know if I'd lost my home, my business, a dozen members of my family and my future was to live in a tent inside a fenced area patrolled by IDF soldiers that I'd resist the urge to take up arms. Freeze the conflict is the last thing we'd want. They're only Palestinians. Still waiting for a reason why what Israel are doing is logical and justified. Hamas can't be destroyed. They're every Gazan that refuses to s*** in a bucket for the rest of their lives now.

Sunak just repeats the same old s*** and doesn't actually answer the obvious questions "Israel has a right to defend itself" - it's currently attacking on two fronts, no? Where's the attack/defence crossover? It's always blurred when it's the West doing it "Hamas still hold hostages" - Where? In Gaza the place being bombed? Why would they give them back? Why wouldn't they stick them on a hospital roof? What's the attempt to rescue them? What's the Hannibal Directive? "Hamas seek to destabilise the region and must be destroyed" - Can you guarantee that they'll be destroyed after this? Can you even guarantee they won't actually find it easier to recruit and their support won't even increase? How many Palestinian lives is a Hamas member worth? "They hide in hospitals. In tunnels underneath" - So? What are you saying? Spit it out. Stop saying the same thing over and over like it's blatantly clear to any idiot that there can be no other way. You're not engaging. Your dictating. Address the arguments

@Mucker1884 Lovely poem! Trying to read that and suddenly the pollen got in my eyes. Hayfever is still around, you know. Always bad this time of year

David Cameron will sort it. But anyway, call for a ceasefire you spineless whimpering cnuts. Let another country be America's favourite dog for a bit. There's no justification for what's happening in Gaza. Nobody has put forward a sensible reason this is self defence. "Israel has a right to defend itself" is such a vague dismissive rhetoric. "Humanitarian pauses" Come on. Jeez. Say that by the end of this Hamas will be completely destroyed? You can't. Ceasefire! Potentially 10,000 dead to achieve what? What results? How many Hamas?

Doesn't it make you feel a right cynical miserable old boot when someone like B4 can always find positivity. Sometimes you wanted to tell him, look. We aren't going to smash the league. Stop it. Forest didn't cheat. Stop. But you know, if the worst thing about you is blind positivity and faith then you're not a bad human, are you. No matter how dreadful Derby could be he found positives. Sometimes I think many sarcastically said (even if just inwardly) "I wish I was on what he's on" Imagine if we all were. All off our heads on positivity and belief. You could almost feel ashamed now for not having his attitude. Much love to B4 and his family and friends. Been on here for what? 13 years or something. Some great characters and lovely people. He won't be forgotten here. You just know it. He's no 'Red Scum!!'