trekkie_ram Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Random thought I had months ago, and it recurs so I want to play Devils Advocate. Ignoring the logistical impossibility of implementing what I'm about to say, hypothetically consider the following: If you drink drive, why are you banned from driving? Surely you are showing that you cannot be trusted to make a rational judgement after consuming alcohol, and therefore the correct punishment should be a ban from drinking alcohol? Additional question: If I was found to be drunk on a push bike, what would my punishment be? And no, I haven't been drink driving - lol. Edit: Apparently I was given a thesaurus for Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I could drink 10 pints and not have a fight. But I couldn't drink 10 pints and drive a car straight. So I shouldn't be allowed to drive a car. Re being drunk on a bike - unless you're cycling in a dangerous way, you're fine - there's no legal limit for cycling (correct me if I'm wrong) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 the offence of driving while over the limit doesn’t apply to cyclists. (RTA s.5)To commit the offence of riding while unfit, the statute says that you have to be under the influence of drink (or drugs) to the extent that you’re incapable of having proper control of the cycle. If you’re capable of some sort of control, but wobbling and weaving around, then you’re probably not capable of proper control, and you’re probably committing the offence.In the wobbling and weaving scenario, even if you weren’t convicted of riding while unfit, you could be committing the offence of cycling without due care and attention. (RTA s.29) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekkie_ram Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 But surely if you think driving after 10 pints is a good idea in the first place, why would being banned from driving stop you doing this again after 10 pints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateDerby Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Interesting Trekkie, I'm sure I've read somewhere that if caught in a certain country (can't remember which one) the penalty is a bit of a combination of a driving and alcohol ban! I'll have a dig later... I think the way we look at it in this country, is that driving is a privilege and you lose that if you put others at risk by driving a car (basically a weapon) whilst impaired through drink or drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekkie_ram Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Interesting Trekkie, I'm sure I've read somewhere that if caught in a certain country (can't remember which one) the penalty is a bit of a combination of a driving and alcohol ban! I'll have a dig later... I think the way we look at it in this country, is that driving is a privilege and you lose that if you put others at risk by driving a car (basically a weapon) whilst impaired through drink or drugs. I like the comparison of a car with a weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I like the comparison of a car with a weapon. I have always looked at it that way. I think it is often taken for granted that it can be a killing machine. All in all I think the standard of driving is shocking but that I put down to the general selfish nature of people these days. I like idea though, ban them drinking and ban them from driving. The worst thing I have done when drunk is delete people from facebook! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateDerby Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Right Trekkie, here's one but it's just a recommendation at the moment, I've definitely seen it enforced somewhere in the world. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/03/09/us/new-mexico-alcohol-sales-dwi-convicts.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekkie_ram Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 I have always looked at it that way. I think it is often taken for granted that it can be a killing machine. All in all I think the standard of driving is shocking but that I put down to the general selfish nature of people these days. I like idea though, ban them drinking and ban them from driving. The worst thing I have done when drunk is delete people from facebook! I love how inoffensive honking your horn is in some countries (UAE comes to mind, but I'm certain there are lots of examples), even the horn sounds friendlier. People use it to say, "look, here I am" or "please make a gap", rather than "why have you cut across my lane d***head??" - I must admit I used mine for the latter earlier today. To join the A47 from Kings Lynn, they've built a flyover to go west, but people would rather follow the signs for the flyover, and then cut right across the roundabout to avoid it! They're willing to risk a collusion because they don't trust a sign and a flyover that's probably been there for at least a decade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekkie_ram Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Right Trekkie, here's one but it's just a recommendation at the moment, I've definitely seen it enforced somewhere in the world.http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/03/09/us/new-mexico-alcohol-sales-dwi-convicts.html If cars had these fitted it would solve almost all cases! Obviously cost & hygiene are minor obstacles. I had another driving thought earlier: Can headlights and windscreens be built so that you aren't blinded by oncoming traffic at night? Obviously let the view of the road etc through so you can actually drive. You also want to know that cars are there, so a reasonable amount of light should get through, but can some of the headlight light be filtered? I'm thinking along the lines of a 3DTV, where you can have two people with different 3D glasses watching different things on the same screen. Did that makes sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisse Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Just shoot them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Just shoot them all. Drunks? Drivers? Frogg's birds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisse Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Drunks? Drivers? Frogg's birds? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Yes. Really will be a duck shoot then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisse Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Really will be a duck shoot then. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Yep. Short and sweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisse Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Short and sweet Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekkie_ram Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share Posted January 4, 2014 Yay! 7 more messages on the thread this could be interesting... ... oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateDerby Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Type in - drink driving punishments around the world. There's a few sites that list all the countries and the punishment, some are quite funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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