Millenniumram

None of them should be as good as us. We have more than enough quality to outperform them, even if they are better than the rest of the crap in this league. In any case, it’s not even the games against those that are costing us, it’s games against the likes of Stevenage and Shrewsbury that are.

I’ve seen enough of league one over the past two seasons to know the quality in it is absolutely dire. And it’s even worse this season compared to last season. What it was like before we were in it isn’t particularly relevant anyway. The point is it’s f****** dreadful right now, and it’s getting worse. I’d be very surprised if it’s been this bad in the last 10 years based on the difference between this season and last season.

It’s clearly not the target he’s set Warne, otherwise he wouldn’t still be here. My argument is that Clowes is being too lenient and top two SHOULD be the target. We underperformed last season as well (due to poor management), so can’t really use that as a barometer. Agree we lost our best player in McGoldrick (may not have done with a different manager in charge), but we still had a healthy budget and brought in numerous players with Championship experience. Coupled with a much weaker division without Ipswich and Sheffield Wednesday, and I can’t see two teams who should be expecting to finish above us.

The point is we SHOULD be as dominant as them this season in this league. As I’ve emphasised many times, it’s truly f****** awful. The gap between this and the championship is huge. It’s probably the worst league one in years, we absolutely should be dominating it with the quality at our disposal.

The aim shouldn’t be to make the playoffs, that’s the point - it should be to make the top 2. I agree if we were in this position last season, in a much tougher position where top 6 was the aim, but the quality this season is god awful, and we should be comfortably top 2 come the seasons end. If we gave managers a full season like you suggest we have to, we’d have left Nigel Pearson in charge and got relegated in 2017. Sounds like a great plan.

There’s certainly some examples out there, though how sane you take the owners is of course up for debate. We scaled Clement while in 5th, McClaren after finishing 8th. Birmingham sacked Eustace in 6th. Not saying any of those are the correct decision - but the main point is, the end of the season isn’t the only time you can judge a manager. For what it’s worth - I prefer to look at it this way. Manchester City are favourites for the Premier League title. If they found themselves in 7th place, and out of the champions league in the group stage (roughly equivalent to our FA cup and League cup first round exits), would Guardiola be under pressure? Even with his incredible record, I think questions would be being asked. And Warne hasn’t built up anywhere near the same level of respect.

Ah the classic, “that’s your opinion” argument that’s always rolled out when someone doesn’t have anything proper to say back. I could make exactly the same point about your opinion that Warne is doing a good job, but I won’t because it’s stupid and defeats the object of a forum. And it’s not a veiled criticism at all. I’m happy to say, outright, that I do not believe David Clowes is doing a very good job at running Derby County at present. That’s not a criticism of the man, who will always be a hero for saving the club, but a criticism of his decision making. Im not calling for his head, of course not, but he’s not immune from debate. Replacing a young, likeable, tactically astute coach in Rosenior with a footballing dinosaur in Paul Warne, who it is now clear is not capable of managing a big club and is personally disliked by a growing portion of the fanbase, appears now to be an absolute disasterclass of a decision, almost out the Mel Morris book. That sounds harsh, and it is, because we can only see this now with the benefit of hindsight - at the time it looked a good move based on Warne’s track record, so I do feel for Clowes, I really do. But he HAS to bite the bullet and correct his mistake. Another two years of this and we’ll still be in the godforsaken league, with dwindling crowds and an ever weakening squad. Warne has it way too comfortable at the moment, which his performance does not deserve. The lack of clear vision is also concerning. We’ve brought in aging old players, and have shown no desire at all to give academy prospects a chance. Our recruitment does not appear to have improved since Morris either, with players like Bradley and Washington taking a significant portion of the budget and contributing precious little. All in all, a sub par performance as chairman so far I’m afraid.

Ah, so we have to give Paul Warne the entire season then, irrespective of how we’re performing at any midway point? Righto. I’m sure all football owners agree with you, and no manager has ever been sacked for poor performance mid season.

Missing the point entirely as usual. Nothing is decided at this point, but it’s a pretty decent sample size for how the team is performing compared with expectations. We were favourites for the league title. We currently find ourselves 7th, 9 points off the top. That isn’t good enough, and shows Paul Warne is doing a poor job as manager. 16 games is enough to judge that this job is too big for him and sack him. In not doing so, Clowes is making almost as big a mistake as appointing him in the first place.

Also known as over a third of the season

You got me excited there! Bamford

Has anyone made old Ben do one of those “I’m not a robot” checks?

Reckon if we all pretend he’s good Rotherham might buy him back?

Bringing on Bradley when you’re 3-1 down has got to be a sackable offence

Embarrassed by Crewe not just once, but twice in the space of 10 days. Paul Warne taking Derby County to new lows

Back to business as usual then?

It’s 5 subs but you’re only allowed 3 windows. So he could, and in my opinion should, have put Weston on at the same time as Sibley.

f****** hell, that’s horrific news… one of my personal hero’s on the forum, always positive even through our darkest days. May you rest in peace B4. And I hope we get promoted this season for you, more than anyone else.

Thought we were a little lucky to be in the lead at half time, but we absolutely battered them second half. Best 45 mins this season in my opinion, considering the quality of the opposition. Much more like the level of dominance I expect us to exert in this league. Only moan is it should’ve been 6 really. Some of our finishing… wow it was bad. That needs to be better in tighter games!

We’ve never finished in a lower position than we currently find ourselves in. Think it’s you who needs some perspective…

That’s not true though, is it? The aim was to be established in the Championship by the time it is concluded. I’d argue it’ll take 2 years to re-establish ourselves in the Championship once we get there. Therefore, promotion this year is a must to achieve that.

Nope, would’ve come here if Warne wanted him to.

There were definitely players he could have bought, I’ve been told he turned down the chance to sign Alfie May because he wasn’t up to his “character” standards. He’s scored 11 goals for Charlton already.

We’re taking the mighty Crewe to a replay! The giant killings keep coming under Paul Warne. One of the greatest days in derbys history

Would be really embarrassing if this was our first team and Crewe had an injury crisis.