Stimacked Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Are allowed out of the matchday squad of 18. Clubs can loan 6 players BYWATER and Deeney are both out, so we need FIELDING back We currently have AYALA at centre back and have 3 centre backs out and Barker close to suspension We are without a left back following Moxey's sale and Roberts injury Pringle or Pearson are surely not the option for 1/3 of the season Ayala is needed at CB Clough was hoping for another midfielder to come in?? We have BUENO as a bench warmer We look like we will have WARD, ROBINSON and HAYES WHO would you have in the matchday squad we are only allowed 5 loanees I can see the HAYES move collapsing as we need room for a Keeper and a fullback and would have no place for BUENO and three loanee forwards and AYALA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stimacked Posted February 23, 2011 Author Share Posted February 23, 2011 Found this article on the topic of Loans in the Championship dated back in December, when Forest had Ramsey and we last had Fielding This season more than any other, High profile loan signings from the Premier League are a huge feature of the Championship. Why the expansion in loan signings? Part of the reason is the ever-increasing quality and depth of squads within the Premier League which, together with the new 25 player squad rule, means that players who previously would not be seen outside the top division are now expendable to their managers. Another reason is the sheer laxity in the loan rules. Championship clubs can loan up to six players at a time and play up to five of those loans (if domestically sourced) in any one eighteen man match-day squad. This has seen Leicester City, for example, take to the field with an entire back four made up of Premier League loans. The previous problem of the availability of top players for loan out of the Premier League is disappearing and, furthermore, financial restrictions to the loans are disappearing too. Of course, Premiership clubs will always be willing to loan players out for match practice, a return to fitness and possibly as a prelude to a sale. However, there now exists a far greater willingness by the top clubs to fund the majority of the wages for the loan period. The obvious example here is the highest profile Championship loanee of this season, Craig Bellamy, and it has been reported that Manchester City are paying £65,000 of Bellamy’s £85,000 per week pay packet for Cardiff. This is unpopular with many figures within the game. Watford chairman Graham Taylor, who helped his club stave off administration last Christmas, said: “Manchester City can afford to do what they want, and that includes refusing to let a very good player join another Premier League club who could threaten their challenge for a Champions League place. “But what they have done is to let one of the best players in the Premier League last season drop into the Championship to join a club who have survived four winding-up orders. “I am not privy to all the facts in the case of Craig Bellamy joining Cardiff, but something is not right. Realistically, how many Championship clubs can afford to loan a player of his quality and on his wages? Under normal circumstances, I would suggest the answer is none. “This shows there are still things happening in football, including the loan system, where the rules and regulations need tightening up. Many fans do not know, for instance, that a lot of loan deals these days come with a fee attached. “But in a competitive division like the Championship, loans like this could unbalance everything.†Fighting alongside Cardiff at the top of the table are QPR, whose chairman Gianni Paladini said: “It is crazy, it is madness but with the new rules and limits of 25 players in a Premier League squad you will see more and more players coming to the Championship. We have signed players who are on £20,000 per week and only paid £6,000 per week, but this is a whole new level†The evidence that Premier League pragmatism is extending is all around us. Aaron Ramsey’s arrival at Nottingham Forest is the latest example. For the casual fan of a Championship club, the opportunity to see such players in your division on a regular basis is an unexpected treat. For managers, the opportunity to boost your squad and at the same time stay within the realms of financial discipline is attractive. So it is “win-win†then? The loan players benefit, the clubs benefit and the spectacle of the Championship benefits? Well, not quite, because loans are by their very nature short-term. Who is to say that any on-the-field improvements engendered by an influx of quality can be maintained when the loanees revert to their parent club? What about young squad players in the Championship, now further away from the first team than before? Logically, I suppose, more loans into Leagues One and Two would seem to be likely. Finally, not all Championship clubs are beneficiaries of the system. Premier League clubs are not loaning throughout the division, presumably because the smaller clubs cannot even finance the part-wages necessary to make many loans happen. Until the rules around the loan system change, though, we can expect some Championship managers to enjoy their time resembling computer game players, plucking squad names from the top flight with impunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Bueno wil not get on teh benc hif we get Hayes. Ward not available for saturday. Are we limited to 5 loanees in the squad or is it 5 on the pitch at any one time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Bueno wil not get on teh benc hif we get Hayes. Ward not available for saturday. Are we limited to 5 loanees in the squad or is it 5 on the pitch at any one time? It's 5 in the squad, but domestically sourced. Bueno doesn't count in that 5, which has been mentioned on RD and RamsPlayer interviews in the past. Loans we have that count in the 5 that play at the moment are Ward Robinson Ayala Room for fielding in Goal and a one more for the total of six. Not sure if that total of 6 can be increased for a GK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Found this article on the topic of Loans in the Championship dated back in December, when Forest had Ramsey and we last had Fielding Another reason is the sheer laxity in the loan rules. Championship clubs can loan up to six players at a time and play up to five of those loans (if domestically sourced) in any one eighteen man match-day squad. That bit is not entirely true. The upto six bit only applies to long term loans - which have age restrictions. The rules don't appear to mention a limit on emergency loans, although I have seen 'upto ten' quoted in places, so the actuall maximum number of loans is either 10, 16 or unlimited. I believe you can only loan a certain number, possibly four, from any one club. The system is stupid. It should be one per club plus an emergency goalkeeper if needed. Of course, that would only work if we got rid of the appalling transfer window, which drives up prices and stops clubs being able to relieve financial pressure by selling players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicky-27 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Just said on radio derby the Paul Hayes deal look likely to be put on hold in the search for a keeper now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Ram Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Do emergency loans count towards the total? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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