Curtains Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I've watched a lot of football this season, football league especially. There is very few defenders I rate more that I have seen, Morrison, Hobbs and Maguire that's about it. As I said, one shred of evidence that he is under average in this division and I'll never talk about him again - it just perplexes me because I just don't see it at all, I've come away from 3/4 games this season thinking he has disappointed me.. with Keogh, I think i've come away from about 8/9 games thinking he hasn't disappointed me... huge difference.Did Bucko do anything wrong in this game !http://youtu.be/Tq14BVbNFB8 And this game did Jake and the defense struggle at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I've watched a lot of football this season, football league especially. There is very few defenders I rate more that I have seen, Morrison, Hobbs and Maguire that's about it. As I said, one shred of evidence that he is under average in this division and I'll never talk about him again - it just perplexes me because I just don't see it at all, I've come away from 3/4 games this season thinking he has disappointed me.. with Keogh, I think i've come away from about 8/9 games thinking he hasn't disappointed me... huge difference. No doubt it's his best season an agree with that. But maybe the shred of evidence you require might be based in your post. Keogh has disappointed you more. Maybe because we as fans think Keogh is the much better defender, and has better technique? I do think they are two totally different types of player. One a battering ram of a defender (no pun intended) or a player who reads the game a level higher to the other. I'm not doubting Buxtons commitment honesty endeavour, and I do believe his technique has improved loads. I just think Keogh is the better player. I imagine we might go round in circles as we have totally different opinions! But hey ho. That's what a forum should be about I suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Pretty much agree with your comment. As much as I like Buxton I can't see him being in first team next season whatever division we were in. Also slightly off tangent but I remember people wondering how he got another contract when he was out injured for a long time a couple of seasons ago. He was thought of along the likes of Saul Deeney. Yes for sure he's been bloody brilliant this season but I do feel he has to play out of his skin I everytime to stay close or in the side. Hope that made sense in perverse kind of way. Shouldn't all of the players 'play out of their skin'???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Shouldn't all of the players 'play out of their skin'???? That I agree with. But with some players of all sports. Class can carry them through at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott129 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Just by his stats at Watford for me - they point him towards being one of the best in his position in the league, falling only behind Drinkwater and Barton. But we shall see. Sweet Jesus. You've taken this stats thing too far here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 That I agree with. But with some players of all sports. Class can carry them through at times. The best players work hard. Nobody in any sport no matter how talented succeeds without working hard - that is what puts them apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 No doubt it's his best season an agree with that. But maybe the shred of evidence you require might be based in your post. Keogh has disappointed you more. Maybe because we as fans think Keogh is the much better defender, and has better technique? I do think they are two totally different types of player. One a battering ram of a defender (no pun intended) or a player who reads the game a level higher to the other. I'm not doubting Buxtons commitment honesty endeavour, and I do believe his technique has improved loads. I just think Keogh is the better player. I imagine we might go round in circles as we have totally different opinions! But hey ho. That's what a forum should be about I suppose Sorry to butt in old boy but if you just consider that Buxton is a 'Battering Ram' of a player then you need to open your eyes. His reading of a game is excellent as is his control of the ball. His passing is way, way ahead of his current partner. I can understand the Rambling Curtains saying stuff like this as he wants the attention (but is only bright enough to concentrate on one person at a time), but watch the player, you will be pleasantly surprised at his ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Sorry to butt in old boy but if you just consider that Buxton is a 'Battering Ram' of a player then you need to open your eyes. His reading of a game is excellent as is his control of the ball. His passing is way, way ahead of his current partner. I can understand the Rambling Curtains saying stuff like this as he wants the attention (but is only bright enough to concentrate on one person at a time), but watch the player, you will be pleasantly surprised at his ability. I do an I come to the same conclusion as Curtains. Sorry fella! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Sorry to butt in old boy but if you just consider that Buxton is a 'Battering Ram' of a player then you need to open your eyes. His reading of a game is excellent as is his control of the ball. His passing is way, way ahead of his current partner. I can understand the Rambling Curtains saying stuff like this as he wants the attention (but is only bright enough to concentrate on one person at a time), but watch the player, you will be pleasantly surprised at his ability.Are you real or what is that the only way you can win an argument.http://youtu.be/LfZAbtFUgDg. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Really don't get this Buxton thing I really don't. He's just an average centre back that's all for me and it's my opinion it'll never change. Don't forget I was spoilt with the likes of Todd and Roy Mac and Stimac. Hendrick did nothing wrong when he came on at Brum yet people were trying to blame him for the Brum 2nd goal and that's really fickle it was Bamfords bad pass and then the defense just didn't defend . The 3rd Brum goal was a complete defensive cock up from a corner end of and on Brums 1st goal the scorer had a massive free header and so much space it was unbelievable where were the CBs! How did Hendrick play v Leicester? What was his last standout game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 How did Hendrick play v Leicester? What was his last standout game? To be fair was virtually player of the year last season. Admittedly not great this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 What about Buxton in this game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 What about defending in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 How did Hendrick play v Leicester? What was his last standout game?The lads had a bad injury. Buxton went about a season and a half without being fit for the Rams. He had a back problem which ended up being operated on . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Jeff Hendrick. I was just to the right of the goal for that beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I do an I come to the same conclusion as Curtains. Sorry fella! I am sure that is nothing to be too ashamed about. We are what we are!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 What about Buxton in this game And what about Keogh and Smith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Are you real or what is that the only way you can win an argument.http://youtu.be/LfZAbtFUgDg. .. ??? Keogh in No mans Land. Buxton's man didn't touch the ball. What is your point???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Did Bucko do anything wrong in this game !http://youtu.be/Tq14BVbNFB8 And this game did Jake and the defense struggle at all Yes they did, probably Buxton's worse game. Whitbread was also lacking as was the team in general - a very emotional game after Clough was sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 My point is statistics can be manipulated with highlights and they don't always assess individual performances. If you look at a lot of these highlights you could come to many conclusions about individual players and who made mistakes etc etc . The Opta index I also believe is not the be all and end all. I'm sure Alex Ferguson didn't give it much credence. I think people need to base how good a team are by watching them for 90 minutes over many games only then can you really judge a trend about the way things are going . ie team ethic , effort, skill ,tactics etc etc. As regards certain players peoples views will differ. Overall the Rams have been very good this season but they still need to improve and how they go about that is mostly opinion based. Most RAMs fans rate Bucko but I still have doubts about him myself but I also have some doubts about Keogh at times . Basically we attack very well but defensively the Rams need to tighten up let's hope it happens aginst QPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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