RamNut Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 What is it with you people and horses ? Really, We're all mammals. Don't knock it until you've tried it. Horses are great kissers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisse Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I once had a lady stalker. She looked like a horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 Bending the head around or a kiss is the hardest part of doing a horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 So I'm told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 The hardest part is explaining yourself to the local rozzers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyram Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 tell her the only thing you need to know about physics is what comes up must come down. Oh I've told her I know all about gamma rays I've watched the Incredible Hulk. 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butthead Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 For life to evolve...... The second generation star has to be in a stable orbit...i.e. not a binary star etc It has to have adundant liquid water. It has to have an atmosphere able to protect life on the surface from the dangerous effects of cosmic radiation Excellent summary of events RamNut, if I may add.... Kepler has also identified planets, albeit 'hot Jupiters' in stable orbits within a binary star system. Comets are now believed to have brought water to Earth and more amazing still, recent probes have found the complex molecules that make up DNA and amino acids the basic building blocks of life. We know that these comets and asteroids mostly hit during the Late Heavy Bombardment period of our solar system's formation, you only have to look at the moon to see the evidence of this as the majority of craters were formed during this period. This bombardment occurred throughout our solar system, again look at the planets and moons which did'nt have active vulcanism following that period. As it's believed this is the normal period of events for any solar system of stars similar to our category, there is no reason why this has'nt happened or is happening elsewhere in the universe. Yes, the atmosphere helps to protect against solar radiation, but it's the Earth's magnetic field driven by our hot molten core that's the reason for this. Look at poor old Mars as an example, it's in the habitable zone and had a molten core and thus magnetic field, plus it's own sizeable atmosphere. We can see the now extinct volcanoes and the evidence of surface water. Mars is smaller and consequently it's molten core cooled to reduce it's magnetic field. Without this barrier, it's atmosphere was stripped by the solar winds and flares and it's surface became hit by the deadly radiation and any surface water evaporated out into space. This is the hope for the Curiosity rover, that it will find the evidence to support this theory and that there were conditions suitable for life. The evolution of life on this planet was unique, but in the scale of the universe and the knowledge that the processes that created the conditions suitable for life are'nt actually that unique. We know that carbon is abundant throughout the observable universe, so the basic building blocks are similar, it's whether any life is water based like us or other liquid gases such as methane, that's the complication for our understanding. The next few years may produce some exciting revelations in this field. Mars Curiosity confirming the previous conditions suitable for life there. Probably more revealing would be the recently launched Juno probe to Jupiter's icy moons, we know there are oceans below the surface and if there is a volcanically active ocean floor as a result of Jupiter's tidal forces, well could there be the 'smokers'? the same vents we have on our deep ocean floors that we now believe to have been the start of microbiological life. One for those who are Green activists 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> have a look at Venus, 'Earth's evil twin' for the affect of runaway greenhouse gases. Maybe a lesson to us all and our reliance on fossil fuels..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted September 18, 2012 Author Share Posted September 18, 2012 Excellent summary of events RamNut, if I may add.... Kepler has also identified planets, albeit 'hot Jupiters' in stable orbits within a binary star system. Comets are now believed to have brought water to Earth and more amazing still, recent probes have found the complex molecules that make up DNA and amino acids the basic building blocks of life. We know that these comets and asteroids mostly hit during the Late Heavy Bombardment period of our solar system's formation, you only have to look at the moon to see the evidence of this as the majority of craters were formed during this period. This bombardment occurred throughout our solar system, again look at the planets and moons which did'nt have active vulcanism following that period. As it's believed this is the normal period of events for any solar system of stars similar to our category, there is no reason why this has'nt happened or is happening elsewhere in the universe. Yes, the atmosphere helps to protect against solar radiation, but it's the Earth's magnetic field driven by our hot molten core that's the reason for this. Look at poor old Mars as an example, it's in the habitable zone and had a molten core and thus magnetic field, plus it's own sizeable atmosphere. We can see the now extinct volcanoes and the evidence of surface water. Mars is smaller and consequently it's molten core cooled to reduce it's magnetic field. Without this barrier, it's atmosphere was stripped by the solar winds and flares and it's surface became hit by the deadly radiation and any surface water evaporated out into space. This is the hope for the Curiosity rover, that it will find the evidence to support this theory and that there were conditions suitable for life. The evolution of life on this planet was unique, but in the scale of the universe and the knowledge that the processes that created the conditions suitable for life are'nt actually that unique. We know that carbon is abundant throughout the observable universe, so the basic building blocks are similar, it's whether any life is water based like us or other liquid gases such as methane, that's the complication for our understanding. The next few years may produce some exciting revelations in this field. Mars Curiosity confirming the previous conditions suitable for life there. Probably more revealing would be the recently launched Juno probe to Jupiter's icy moons, we know there are oceans below the surface and if there is a volcanically active ocean floor as a result of Jupiter's tidal forces, well could there be the 'smokers'? the same vents we have on our deep ocean floors that we now believe to have been the start of microbiological life. One for those who are Green activists 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> have a look at Venus, 'Earth's evil twin' for the affect of runaway greenhouse gases. Maybe a lesson to us all and our reliance on fossil fuels..... I concur. But how do they get galleons inside glass bottles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFCfranco Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I concur. But how do they get galleons inside glass bottles? I thought this was meant to be a serious thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted September 18, 2012 Author Share Posted September 18, 2012 I thought this was meant to be a serious thread. Well, do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Hindge Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 What evidence have we got that were not being watched? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Comets are now believed to have brought water to Earth and more amazing still, recent probes have found the complex molecules that make up DNA and amino acids the basic building blocks of life. The evolution of life on this planet was unique, but in the scale of the universe and the knowledge that the processes that created the conditions suitable for life are'nt actually that unique. Its a huge huge huge leap from simple chemicals and amino acids to the incredible complexity of dna, and a genetic code which tells the cell which protein to make and when and how much etc and where to take it etc etc. The complexity is simply mind boggling. The more we discover, the greater the miracle of the evolution of life seems, and the deeper the mystery becomes. We are really no nearer to understanding how it all came about since Fred Hoyle observed that it was equivalent to a jumbo jet self-assembling out of a pile of rubbish. There is chemical debris wherever there are stars, but it is quite dead. We really are the most fortunate inhabitants of an amazing planet. If only we knew it. Anyway....thats what i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyram Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 What evidence have we got that were not being watched? We are being watched - by peeping toms with long lenses who live in a pit called France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 We are being watched - by peeping toms with long lenses who live in a pit called France. Thats a bit harsh pet. France is quite nice, and the photographer is made for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozza Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I concur. But how do they get galleons inside glass bottles? I thought this was meant to be a serious thread. Well, do you know? there's your answer, Mr Boyce.. 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozza Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Ship in a bottle [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Buddelschiff_Titanic]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Buddelschiff_Titanic/220px-Buddelschiff_Titanic [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Buddelschiff_Titanic]http://bits.wikimedia.org/static-1.20wmf9/skins/common/images/magnify-clip[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic]Titanic sinks in a bottle There are several ways to put a ship inside a bottle. The simplest way is to rig the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mast_%28sailing%29]masts of the ship and raise it up when the ship is inside the bottle. Masts, spars, and sails are built separately and then attached to the hull of the ship with strings and hinges so the masts can lie flat against the deck. The ship is then placed inside the bottle and the masts are pulled up using the strings attached to the masts.[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_bottle#cite_note-0][1][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_bottle#cite_note-1][2] The hull of the ship must still be able to fit through the opening.[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_bottle#cite_note-2][3] Bottles with minor distortions and soft tints are often chosen to hide the small details of the ship such as hinges on the masts. Alternatively, with specialized long-handled tools, it is possible to build the ship inside the bottle. 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /> ..i'm off bed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyBilly Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Its a huge huge huge leap from simple chemicals and amino acids to the incredible complexity of dna, and a genetic code which tells the cell which protein to make and when and how much etc and where to take it etc etc. The complexity is simply mind boggling. I appreciate the post but cells didn't run before they could walk. What you're describing is a "modern" cell, i.e. ridiculously and unfathomably complex for what the world's first "protocell" would have been, the "primordial cell" - the father of all life on Earth. It'd be equivalent to comparing bacterium to human beings interms of complexity between the two. The leap between these chemicals and amino acids to a blob which can't even boast a cell wall (a protocell) is still gigantic but at least its conceivably possible without the use of words like "miracle". Nature has several advantages over science, it has infinitely more reaction vessels and infinitely more time to conduct its experiments. We've proved the ingredients were there, we've proved we can make synthetic living cells which reproduce from those ingredients, we cannot however reproduce the time (millions or billions of years) that is a prerequisite of evolution and indeed creation to occur. We know life exists, we know evolution is a biological process, the leap of faith is the formation of the protocell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggg Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Thats a bit harsh pet. France is quite nice, and the photographer is made for life. He won't have a pot to piss in when wills legal team have sued his ass...... 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butthead Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Its a huge huge huge leap from simple chemicals and amino acids to the incredible complexity of dna, and a genetic code which tells the cell which protein to make and when and how much etc and where to take it etc etc. The complexity is simply mind boggling. The more we discover, the greater the miracle of the evolution of life seems, and the deeper the mystery becomes. We are really no nearer to understanding how it all came about since Fred Hoyle observed that it was equivalent to a jumbo jet self-assembling out of a pile of rubbish. There is chemical debris wherever there are stars, but it is quite dead. We really are the most fortunate inhabitants of an amazing planet. If only we knew it. Anyway....thats what i think. Totally agree, it is a massive leap. For now we are only trying to establish whether the building blocks and conditions for life are not just exclusive to our own solar system. The Curiosity rover is doing just that on Mars, but only to establish whether there were these conditions. Unfortunately there will be some who will be expecting it to do dig up an ancient civilisation's version of the Statute of liberty because they've watched too much Planet of the Apes 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /> Hoyle is an interesting guy to reference as he rejected the Big Bang Theory and also claimed life came from space to earth, only to be influenced later by comets and asteroids along with the processes allowed on Earth. That's the beauty of science, it challanges itself and not just accepts on faith alone. Quite apt for a football forum. As for being watched, due to the vast distances involved not just between the stars in our own galaxy, let alone others millions of light years away, I doubt it very much. Last night I could see the Andromeda galaxy 2.5m lyrs away with my own eyes, a faint smudge but it was there and puts it all into perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyram Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Last night I could see the Andromeda galaxy 2.5m lyrs away with my own eyes, a faint smudge but it was there and puts it all into perspective. Eh? You can see something that's 2.5 million lyrs (light years?) away? 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> Have you got Hubble set up in your back garden then? 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':o' /> 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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