G STAR RAM Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 How exactly do you 'take over a mess' at international level? You get to pick whatever players suit your style and there are no financial worries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 28 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: How exactly do you 'take over a mess' at international level? You get to pick whatever players suit your style and there are no financial worries? He might be talking about the fragile nature of the squad's mental state. Or the squad's poor understanding of gestalt theory. They are not very good players and lack the ability to rise above that and become a strong team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 37 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: He might be talking about the fragile nature of the squad's mental state. Or the squad's poor understanding of gestalt theory. They are not very good players and lack the ability to rise above that and become a strong team. In which case change the players...there are hundreds to choose from! He inherited a team with Rooney playing out of position and continued to play him there until he was booed off the pitch! Always amazes me that nearly every time England change manager we always seem to carry on with the same starting 11. So none of them have their own ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Every England manager seems to be programmed to believe in some sort of Darwinian theory of selection, which runs broadly that..... 1. If a player is any good at all 2. He will be purchased by Man U, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs or some other "top" prem league club 3. Therefore all of my talent are the 20% or so of those squads who are eligible to play for England. they immediately therefore restrict themselves to a smaller number. Why don't we have an "England Way" of progressing the youth who have been handing out some right tonkings at younger ages. The seniors were dreadful last night. So unintelligent. Sturridge running around all over the place. Nobody with any sense to drop into his position to offer anything when he did so. Dier (who I am a fan of generally) looked laboured and out of touch. No doubt most of them will be back in November - when did we have a genuinely leftfield call up for an England player - like Steve Bull when he played for a 3rd division club in the '80s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: In which case change the players...there are hundreds to choose from! He inherited a team with Rooney playing out of position and continued to play him there until he was booed off the pitch! Always amazes me that nearly every time England change manager we always seem to carry on with the same starting 11. So none of them have their own ideas? Are there really hundreds though? I suspect there may be more Icelandic players in their premier league for the manager to choose from than we have English players in our Premier league. And no manager is going to include large numbers of players from lower divisions. Changing things wholesale in a short space of time just confuses players (they are footballers after all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: Are there really hundreds though? I suspect there may be more Icelandic players in their premier league for the manager to choose from than we have English players in our Premier league. And no manager is going to include large numbers of players from lower divisions. Changing things wholesale in a short space of time just confuses players (they are footballers after all). And therein lies a problem straight away, why should an England manager not be looking at Championship players? England should be able to field an XI from League One to compete with Iceland! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 After watching us get massively lucky to come away from some non-descript eastern european municipal leisure centre with a clean sheet and a point smuggled out in our luggage, I've come to the conclusion that we jut don't have very many top players. Some decent ones, who have a run in the Prem of getting on the highlights 1 week in two on MoTD, and then we big them up into world class players. They aren't. Who out of this lot would get in the early 2000's teams with Beckham, Owen, etc? Who out of this team would get in the Bobby Robson side of Italia '90 for that matter? The defenders are average, the strikers are show ponies without the attitude or honest grafters without the skill. Which midfield player can call himself a leader like Bryan Robson, or claim half the talent of Gazza. Which wide man can beat a full back like Waddle or Barnes? Where's our Shearer? Tony Adams? David Platt? Matt Le Tissier could hardly get a game, he'd be first name down if he was playing today. We're *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 44 minutes ago, needles said: After watching us get massively lucky to come away from some non-descript eastern european municipal leisure centre with a clean sheet and a point smuggled out in our luggage, I've come to the conclusion that we jut don't have very many top players. Some decent ones, who have a run in the Prem of getting on the highlights 1 week in two on MoTD, and then we big them up into world class players. They aren't. Who out of this lot would get in the early 2000's teams with Beckham, Owen, etc? Who out of this team would get in the Bobby Robson side of Italia '90 for that matter? The defenders are average, the strikers are show ponies without the attitude or honest grafters without the skill. Which midfield player can call himself a leader like Bryan Robson, or claim half the talent of Gazza. Which wide man can beat a full back like Waddle or Barnes? Where's our Shearer? Tony Adams? David Platt? Matt Le Tissier could hardly get a game, he'd be first name down if he was playing today. We're *****. We actually do have some decent players, unfortunately none of them make up the spine of the team. Look down the centre of the team and it's all very average. Cahill and Stones looked awful last night. Alli is a talent and Henderson a good leader I feel but a few years away from being world class, if they ever do become that. Not really sure what to say abou Sturridge, supposedly one of the best finishers in the business but clearly no football brain. His performance last night was like that of a 7 year old. Guess it's worrying when your best and most exciting players are your full backs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Don't think its useful to be making excuses already. He is not the man for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Le Mesmer Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 English football does not produce any leaders anymore. Players with grit and perseverance. Tony Adams, Bryan Robson spring to mind to name a couple. Players for who their first and most important objective is to win at all costs and not let anyone down. Most modern footballers have everything they could possibly wish for without ever having to achieve anything in the game. Theo Walcott, Oxlade Chamberlain, Daniel Sturridge, Raheem Sterling and the list goes on. They have one good game in 5 yet still think they are top players and still get money and adulation hurled in their direction. They have one good game every 5 and that's enough for them. They don't seem to know how to give it their all or what it means to fans. They don't need to give it all and they don't feel the burning desire inside to physically bleed for the cause. There are soldiers out there today doing just that for the equivalent monthly wage of what Walcott would get in a few hours. Police the same. Passion comes from within and if you have truly got it then it will show through. This England squad are an absolute embarrassment to themselves and you can't really give any of them the time of day anymore. They are pathetic weak specimens of men and they should be ashamed of themselves. England players put in simple terms, 'don't want it enough'. It has shown now for many many years. When was the last time they lost but did so with them out on their feet at the whistle having given absolutely everything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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