DontTrustTheDevilInside

On 01/09/2023 at 21:22, GeneralRam said:

I think that’s it. I’m sure it used to be on a Tesla.

Pete marples had a tesla with a plate like that on it while ago? Not sure if he still has it or if its the same plate

4 minutes ago, TheresOnlyWanChope said:

Boro fans are very pro Gibson and anti Derby. The general sentiment looking online is most agree with Gibson’s course of action or are not bothered either way. In any case, Gibson probably doesn’t care what Boro or Derby fans think anyway about this - he wants money and would not be upset to see Derby out of business I’m sure. 
Also I’m not sure trying to appeal to Gibson will work. Derby are fighting for their existence. Action needs to be taken. No grovelling etc. Derby need to stand up to Gibson and say no. I couldn’t care less what Boro fans think and neither I’m sure would the majority of other Derby fans. 

I haven't seen a member of the press or anyone online who can see a scenario where he takes a penny

Think the support we are getting is good but the key is Gibson... He clearly isn't appealing to principles or doing the right thing...

Do we need to come up with a solution as a fans forum to engage Middlesbrough fans and their forum?

In particular:

1. See how many fans actually agree with his actions? Do they do polls? 

2. If 1 is in our favour see if we can illustrate this to Gibson so he is not acting in the fans view of their best interests (like the European Super League- most owners thought the fans would agree and it benefitted their personal agenda, without the fans agreement and mass disagreement the agenda wasn't worth it)

3. Do we need a 2nd petition for Middlesbrough fans to push their own club/owner to do the right thing

4. Can we actually create issues within his own fan base of people commenting, protesting, pushing that this is not how they want Middlesbrough to be ran/ perceived to the wider football community

Ultimately if they don't agree and it goes South it will put Middlesbrough on the map for all the wrong reasons.

I get the impression if that worked and fell that Wycombe both don't have the money to fight a case themselves so are probably hoping for Boro to storm and set precedent and;

Don't really have the same passion to go through with it and would probably react to a 'larger' club u turning on the issue?

Plus I would expect considering the numbers involved stumping up the Wycombe claim is less than 20% of the issue stumping up the Boro claim or buying us would cost to a potential owner.

12 minutes ago, TexasRam said:

Needs to concentrate on his job and not being a celebrity. Hopefully he’ll be promoted to full time celebrity by then anyway. 

If last season is to go by we will have no wins by then and he will be lucky to be in a job

Sorry if that doesn’t help much, just know in my old job the company got a loan and as part of it the director/owner put their house (which definitely wasn’t owned by the company) in as part of the loan guarantee. So I know it doesn’t have to be within the company

8 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said:

if you've got finance experience, I wonder if you've got experience or knowledge of debt and administration (genuine question), my understanding is that you put a business into administration when there is unpayable/unmanagable debt? Is that correct? A creditor can issue winding up procedings, and an owner can call in administrators to basically strip everything and sell on?

So, the question is, what debt would put Derby into Admin? I can think of only two debts. The loan, and the player and staff wages.

realistically, the loan will be more crippling than staff wages, as (theoretically) you cannot dodge the loan, but you can sell, make redundant or furlough staff.

So then the stadium loan would put MEL into admin, not the club. Surely?

Finance as in business loans etc sorry.

Accounting iffy

Administration... nada

Football club admin less than that

I think it’s any creditor no matter how small can issue wind up, whether the club can afford to pay the small ones to make them go away may be a factor though, so could be just the people who supply electricity or something stupid like that.

A Club is a business like anything else so you’d assume they have numerous suppliers also. Some must be big ish

Staff get made redundant, something different happens with players because we bought Marshall and Byrne off Wigan they weren’t made redundant, in fact I’ve never heard of a player been made redundant, no idea how that works, they must not officially be staff in a traditional sense.

No idea who the loan was to but it was made to seem like the club not wherever the stadium is now, so if Msd issue winding up I would guess it’s the club and then they claim the stadium off Mel for failing in his duties to pay as a director

14 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said:

the stadium transferred from one business to another business, but the debt for a loan is on the club against the stadium, as a simple deduction, this would indicate that the two businesses both fall under the same parent company, which, if the club goes into administration, will also be in administration.

So simply, every business connected with Derby County will be in administration as the one owning the stadium is the one carrying the debt! (MSD loan). So when someone negotiates to buy the club, they will be buying the whole caboodle!

Stop making a distinction between the Club and Mel, they are not separate entities! The CLUB IS MEL!

 

Not necessarily, I’ve worked in finance, Mel as a director can put up an asset that’s not part of the group as collateral. The announcement was pretty clear that it was sold out of the club (part of group wouldn’t be this) and I don’t think would clear ffp if it was just part of a group.

If you could just transfer within group every club would do this every week, they challenged Man City on the owners other companies sponsoring the club, doubt it would be this easy.

Also as you put loan from msd is against the stadium, surely they own it if that happens and it doesn’t go through as an asset in administration? Someone must have to buy/rent off msd

I thought the worse case was quite optimistic!

People talking about this fantastic rebuild, it won’t happen if we’re in admin, which has to be talked about with all the financial discussions this season with championship income. It will only be worse in league 1.

Not sure if people actually done their research but only 3 players are out of contract plus 6 loans, 5 of which joined in January and only 2 or 3 have had any impact this season. Sheff Wednesday are in a far better position to ‘rebuild’ than us, huge amounts of players out of contract much closer to a blank slate and the ones left look far more appealing.

Who is really going to buy Tom Lawrence and Craig Forsyth (not the one of years ago, this one with no knees) on their rumoured wages. That’s an entire contract budget for a league 1 club in admin pretty much gone on 2 players you can’t rely on for more than 5 performances a season each. That’s just the start of the problem.

Oh and then the inept inexperienced management team on big money and with even less experience in league 1.

32 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said:

if the business owning Derby goes into Administration, it also owns the stadium!

Who? The administrator or Mel who bought it off the club or someone else? I’m sure this post doesn’t make sense

1 hour ago, EraniosSocks said:

I thought it goes 

 

Scouts and Head of Recruitment select players following research 

Manager selects the ones he feels will do the job he wants 

Head of Recruitment does the deal chasing

So our former manager and quiet technical director, who the manager possibly won’t listen to’s son, with our owners son assisting him does that? 

So much better than MM signing off, which he or Pearce need to because none of the people in your post have visibility or understanding of the accounts or FFP position.

And we wonder why our transfer activity has been atrocious. Would kill for some Brentford moneyball scouts and strategy.