Archie

12 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

Maybe the facts that you say should be non negotiable show us breaching p&s which is a point deduction? Surely we should then be in a position to negotiate?

If the facts stand as you say then no we should not be in a position to negotiate. Why should we for breaking the rules? We can appeal but that is a different matter. 

12 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

Its not the fans who decide on the punishment, fans will just state what they think is best for the club to move forward.

I was only commenting on those willing to accept a punishment without knowing what the punishment should be. Madness. Bonkers. Insane. 

12 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

The club & EFL clearly have been in discussions and both parties will know how the accounts look and what that means in terms of potential punishments. Both parties dont want to go to a tribunal so are trying to agree the final punishment.

I do not believe this is just solely about the accounts now but we wait and see. 

12 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

The club will no doubt have their arguments and feel we're innocent whereas the EFL will have their own arguments and will want to punish us. If we are now in breach of p&s we will argue the accounts were signed off, we could've sold players to bring the extra money in or not spent so much on incomings plus the fact we have been under embargoes for ages but the EFL will simply say you're over by X million which equals a X amount of points deducted. This is where the agreement on punishment comes into place.

I don't think the club is wholly innocent but the debate should be whether a punishment is justified based on the facts. Like I said,I don't think this is just about the accounts now and the EFL are under pressure for as large a punishment as possible regardless. An appeal based on retrospective spending could be made absolutely and the EFL know this.

12 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

Would people really rather us let the EFL issue any punishment they want, we appeal it and this drag on for another year? Whilst remaining under embargoes etc. Who does that benefit? Also, would be no guarantee we would win after all that anyway.

No I don't think any of us want the EFL to issue any punishment they want. We should appeal as sternly as we can if we have a case. It doesn't benefit anyone but it sets a precedent that says clubs should not be bullied into submission by an organisation that is actually there to protect all its members including us. 

5 minutes ago, Charlotte Ram said:

"Better to die on your feet than live on your knees" as Emiliano Zapata said,

Or as some of our fans think, 'better to get rodgered for something you haven't done,  rather than for something you have done!'

1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said:

What wrong-doing are you accepting punishment for btw?

Exactly this. There's a lot on here saying, 'I'd take 6 points' or 'I'd take 3 points' etc. Tragic that a large percentage of the fanbase would simply allow this to happen without knowing the facts of the case because they don't want to think about it anymore. Boo Hoo. This is and should be a non negotiable punishment based on facts and not something open to subjective negotiation on any part. Until we know exactly what has been breached (if anything) we shouldn't accept any 'punishment' from this shitshower of an organisation and fight on/back relentlessly. 

1 minute ago, Sparkle said:

If we have done nothing wrong within the written rules at the time of any punishment we should dam well be challenging it and I don’t care how long it takes. 

Absolutely agree here. 

1 minute ago, SunnyRam said:

It still wasn't "about" though was it? 

I didn't  keep a record but it seemed quite a lot. Not far away from 'about' and certainly not worth any further discussion. I will still watch all the games one way or another reagrdless, only difference is my club will no longer get any of the benefit. 

4 minutes ago, SunnyRam said:

I'm pretty sure we were not on Sky for half of the games last season. The feedback I have seen on here and social media is about 50/50. Some will still pay it just like they would for expensive match tickets. You will never see a total boycott. 

Thats why I said 'about'.

I have cancelled mine which is a great pity. I have had it for many years, even kept it rolling in the summer months to help the club but can't justify it at the new price. The missed games due to Sky (about half last season) and the cost to fans in markets where 25 quid is quite a bit of money means this is no longer a fair value proposition. Who misses out? The club. I will still get links and watch the games, there are always ways. This is definitely a sly trick by the EFL to move people over to their business and Derby must be livid with this, seeing another valuable income stream flitter away. I don't  know anybody who hasn't  or won't  be cancelling. RIP Rams TV. You've been had by the vindictive bullies at the EFL. 

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