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  1. My memory is awful, so I wouldn't be able to recall anyway. It's definitely not something that happens often.
  2. Yes. If i'm honest, i'm not sure. It's tough for the club to work on retrospectively punishing this when a large number of people join in. Chants such as 'does your boyfriend know you're here' etc. I can definitely see the progress and agree that we're heading in the right direction and that change doesn't come overnight. However, the aspect you've missed there is that the reason that things change through generations is through work done to get there. We can continue to educate and lead the way with this, I don't believe we can write off a generation as a lost cause and say it'll all be fine in 20 years time.
  3. For some members of the LGBT community, it is more obvious that they are LGBT. This generally forms from stereotypes; including things like the way they act, the way they speak, the way they dress. These traits are often things that are picked up on and used as a form of abuse. For others, the language used by other supporters can be something that is very off-putting. There are definitely examples of homophobic chants, and the general masculine feel of a football crowd can be off-putting to members of the LGBT community. It may be that for some people, they decide it's just not their scene; and that is fine. I think it's important that everybody can be themselves without the fear of being abused or feeling like they don't belong. From a personal point of view, I think the main problem faced is language. The use of slurs and taunts that are discriminatory when they have no reason to be used. Calling the referee a banker doesn't marginalise people. Telling somebody to 'get up you puff' does and just isn't necessary.
  4. Quite possibly. Again, the survey will hopefully help to deduce if LGBT supporters have any concerns, and how we can address these, or how we can show LGBT supporters that DCFC is a friendly inclusive club. LGBT supporters who have fears may just need some friendly faces to help show them that it's a great place to be.
  5. I think a major consideration here is the level of visibility. The protests in Birmingham are getting mainstream media coverage. If they didn't, you probably wouldn't know they were happening. Consider LGBT fans that don't attend games because they're worried about abuse. Nobody would know that this is the reason they do not attend if they have never expressed that. Consideration also has to be taken that it is hard to understand the extend of something when it doesn't affect you. For somebody that doesn't see why a football match can be ostracising for the LGBT community, it can seem like there isn't an issue. To those who are affected by it, it could be a major issue to them. The aim of the survey is to hear from a wide set of supporters, both within and outside of the LGBT community to understand their views and experiences.
  6. Policing at Pride events is usually excellently co-ordinated. Anti-LGBT protesters at these events would also be vastly outnumbered; on the whole they wouldn't even attempt to air their views here. They are much more likely to target isolated people such as the London bus incident. Even with Pride events, everybody is covered in rainbow flags, face paint etc. when they're in the city centre. I know a lot of people who as they're getting their bus home in the evening are taking off their rainbow flags and removing face paint because they don't want to be targeted when they're on their own. Safety in numbers, with like minded people. On an unrelated note from the above point, most of the discussion here has been about LGB, but not T. Trans people are the most marginalised out of the LGBT community.
  7. Quite possible that they would target somebody else if there were no LGBT people; however, that doesn't mean it should just be accepted. That's almost like saying "Somebody is going to be targeted, so let's just let LGBT people carry on taking the burden". I don't want anybody at all to be targeted for being who they are, so we work towards this being the case. It will never be achieved, but that doesn't mean we don't try.
  8. I agree with you that the sort of people that commit these crimes probably wouldn't blink twice at targeting anybody, regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation or other characteristics. However, this was definitely a targeted attack based on sexual orientation.
  9. What the disabled supporters group do is probably more evident in some ways as there is a physical aspect that is much clearer to see. And a lot of people forget that being disabled is more than just physical disabilities. The disabled supporters club is making sure that anybody with a disability does not feel left out, discriminated against and can enjoy the football as best as they can. Much like an LGBT supporters group would with those within the LGBT community.
  10. Your opinion is very much appreciated :) IMO we do as much as we can to educate. Those people who will be hateful regardless then need to be called out. They may not change their attitudes and action based on sensible discussion; but they are much more likely to if people around them tell them / show them that it's not acceptable.
  11. The suggestion of seats on the survey was something posed to me by a friend and I thought i'd include it as an option to see opinion. The suggestion was more that if a group of LGBT fans felt safer or happier sat together then they could arrange to get season tickets together. Then any new LGBT supporters who aren't as confident coming on their own can sit with them so they have friendly faces around them. Always interesting to gauge opinions :)
  12. I fully appreciate that you see people for people. However, not everybody does. It's hard to explain to those who don't see why somebody's sexuality is an issue; just why there needs to be attempts to educate those who do. But we absolutely still need to educate about diversity, love and inclusivity. The difference is that there is no reason for a white male only group. An LGBT supporters group would not exist just to categorise people. It would exist because it's needed. That's why i'm researching it, to see if it has it's place. Taking football aside for now; I can absolutely tell you that LGBT groups help the LGBT community. They provide safe places for people who experience prejudice and hate on a regular basis to grow, to question and to be themselves; when they spend large parts of their days worried about what people think; what people say; whether they're going to be verbally or physically abused for who they are. A lot of LGBT people experience very little abuse, but a lot do. Something that unless you've seen it, you probably don't see how bad it can be.
  13. It's a combination. The primary reason would be to help supporters to support; to help people to enjoy football in a positive environment. I think that any platform that can help to eradicate homophobia and forms of prejudice against the LGBT community is a positive. DCFC have supported LGBT causes before e.g. Rainbow Laces / Football against Homophobia. As a key part of the Derby community, DCFC have a platform to help to ensure that important issues are addressed and if we can help to organise events with the club that raise awareness, that can only be a good thing. Much as the club would also support causes that look to address racism and other forms of prejudice.
  14. Thanks for your responses everyone. Some really good discussions taking place, and in such a positive way. It's great to see. Going to try to cover a couple of bits in one post :) As others have said, this is what we strive towards and hope that one day will be the case. Even though (in the UK) things are a lot rosier for the LGBT community, there are still prejudices and a lot of stigma. The idea of LGBT inclusive groups are to provide a safe place for those who are worried about those prejudices being shown. For people who want to be themselves where otherwise they feel that they can't. I also don't see it as an exclusive group. The only people who I would actively not want to be part of an LGBT Supporters Group are those with anti-LGBT views. You don't have to be a member of the LGBT community to be on board; just be an ally! That's all we ever ask. And I think on the whole, members of the LGBT community wouldn't be too offended by that, I know that I wouldn't. I know you don't mean it in a discriminatory way. It's purely because that's a word you've grown up to use. I would ask you to think about using the term as you are using it as a negative, but if it slipped out as a result of habit, I don't think too many would be particularly offended. I link this back to the headlines in the news recently about a 'straight pride' in Boston. Without trying to be somebody who is leading an LGBT campaign (i'm purely interested in seeing as many LGBT people as possible enjoying football); the LGBT community are still marginalised, where heterosexual people have not. LGBT groups (in a more general sense) are needed, Non-LGBT groups are not. That's where the difference lies unfortunately. Well the aim of the research is to find out if there is a need or desire for a group, or not. It may be that on the whole we're happy with the way things are, people feel happy and included and we don't need a group. However, the important consideration here is that there are likely to be members of the LGBT community that wouldn't feel comfortable being themselves at a football match. Football can be seen as a very masculine environment, it can feel very hostile at times. There is also still a stigma attached to homophobia in football; which we need to address. I agree that I think the vast majority of football fans don't even bat an eyelid or care about who they're sat next to, as long as we're all enjoying the football. The idea of an LGBT group isn't necessarily to draw attention to ourselves and to shout about being LGBT. The most important part is to make this within the LGBT community feel welcome at Derby County. To answer any questions they have about being LGBT at a football match. So that they have a safe place and a community where they can ask questions, get involved where they previously wouldn't have and enjoy their football. It's also an opportunity to raise awareness (as we still need to do) about LGBT issues.
  15. Good day everyone! Introduction I'd like to be able to say that Derby County is a very inclusive club. It has a warm community feel about it and has won awards for community involvement in recent years. As a member of the LGBT community, I am conducting some research into views on homosexuality, bisexuality and transsexuality within the DCFC community. This includes experiences of homophobia, biphobia and transphobia on match days and experiences for LGBT supporters. 50 clubs across England, Scotland and Wales have LGBT Supporters Groups; so I am also interested in understanding whether there is a desire or need for a DCFC LGBT Supporters Group. I am keen to hear from LGBT supporters; and those who are not too! Survey If you have 5 minutes spare, please can you complete the survey at http://bit.ly/2JTDOqP and provide your experiences and thoughts. The survey is completely anonymous and will allow me to understand the currently views surrounding LGBT experiences at Derby County Football Club. Hopefully, following analysis of the results, I will be able to report back on whether there is work that can be done to further increase the level of inclusivity at Derby County; whether there is work to be done to help LGBT supporters more involved with the club or whether there is work that can be done to tackle homophobia, biphobia and transphobia at DCFC. Spread the Word If you are in a position to be able to help spread the word of this to other supporters and would be able to; that would be greatly appreciated. The more responses I receive, the better the results of the survey will be. If you have a Twitter platform that a number of supporters follow, you can retweet the link from https://twitter.com/LGBTRams. Queries If you have any questions at all, please drop me a message on here, or on Twitter! Thanks for your time; Up the Rams!
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