sage Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 We still have an outside chance of the play offs, but realistically despite improving this season, we are still ten points behind where we need to be to look nailed on for a play off place. What reasons could there be for being ten points shy? is it....... A. The board haven't invested in enough quality players? B. NC is tactically poor and/or too negative? C. Davies and Robinson haven't played enough games to score the goals needed? D. Barker and Brayford have missed half and a third of the season respectively? E. We are still developing and the youngsters aren't at that level yet? What does everyone think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 A combination of all of them, and a few more beside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsmini Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 love how you start of blaming the board and/or the manager 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 We still have an outside chance of the play offs, but realistically despite improving this season, we are still ten points behind where we need to be to look nailed on for a play off place. What reasons could there be for being ten points shy? is it....... A. The board haven't invested in enough quality players? Its a hard one to answer, as virtually all fans want boards to spend more, anfd when you are balancing the books, quality is often hard to find. B. NC is tactically poor and/or too negative? Don't think so on the whole, however there has been some strange decisions made at some key times. C. Davies and Robinson haven't played enough games to score the goals needed? Agreed, both had overlapping injuries and the whole front line has been out at some point this year. D. Barker and Brayford have missed half and a third of the season respectively? Yeap, we seem to miss a key player in defence, mid or attack for the whole season E. We are still developing and the youngsters aren't at that level yet? Yeap, young squad, first real season together, and in that reapect I am quite pleased that we are where we are, as a lot of 'pundits' had us down to struggle. What does everyone think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JW- Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 I am pleased with how this season is shaping up. Every season Nigel always talks about progression from the previous season, so if we have a good finish and end up maybe 7th or 8th, then progress next year will mean play offs. Clough in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 love how you start of blaming the board and/or the manager 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> I was just trying to reflect the range of opinions on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsmini Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 That's fair enough but just amusing how these threads always start with board or manager. Probably in all inocence. I look at Ipswich and Watford as lost points and of course Barnsley at home. If we had won them the league would look very different. 1 pt of playoffs if I am right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramblur Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Given that Nigel said we didn't get all the players we wanted (to compete in top 6),then I guess that might have something to do with it.We're about where I expected us to be (maybe slightly better),but the fat lady hasn't sung yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
networker1884 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 We still have an outside chance of the play offs, but realistically despite improving this season, we are still ten points behind where we need to be to look nailed on for a play off place. What reasons could there be for being ten points shy? is it....... A. The board haven't invested in enough quality players?- I'm happy with the current squad, knowing that there have been improvements and investments each season and it has shown. Players that want to be at the club, and work hard for it. Too many signing one season could disrupt things. B. NC is tactically poor and/or too negative?- The whole Naylor, Carroll and Green fiasco...yes. Lost us points. Imo. C. Davies and Robinson haven't played enough games to score the goals needed?-Robinson has played enough to be on 20 goals, but he wastes a lot of opportunities with wrong decisions and poor control. Davies, had he not got injured, would be on 25-ish imo. And we'd be much better off in the league. D. Barker and Brayford have missed half and a third of the season respectively?-If Naylor had filled in for Brayford rather than Green, and Carroll not used in place of Green in cm, then I believe we'd be quite a few more points better off (also relates to NC's tactics). Also, Buxton has been better than Barker. Imo. E. We are still developing and the youngsters aren't at that level yet?-Yes, imo, they have a lot to learn. Hendrick could become something special. What does everyone think?-I think I like this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamOfKansas Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 I blame the board because they're Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
networker1884 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 I blame the board because they're Americans. I believe the right word on here is 'yanks' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackNwhites Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 We're 23 points away from being top of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 I think Robinson has only started around half the games and has a decent ratio of goals to games, though he needs to improve further. I wouldn't necessarily link Green playing RB instead of Naylor to the Carroll situation personally. Two different points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 What reasons could there be for being ten points shy? I think it's because the teams above us have got 10 or more points more than we managed to get. It's something to do with winning and drawing more games than we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBW Ram Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 I'm pretty much line for line with you there McRam - are you new on here? you talk a lot of sense like the other bloke we used to have on from jock land ;-) Only slight difference in views is on the board. I wish I was a fly on the wall on the inside of TG's office, I dont know why but I've got a nagging doubt that the board changed the goal posts slightly. I could be wrong and NC could have over shot his budget. I'm harping back to pre-seaspn when TG told NC that we weren't getting Eustace (they caught it on camera at the crewe game) that didnt look like the reaction of a manager who was expecting to have that deal pulled. Generally though a really positive season, despite some head scratching decisions, they're head scratching because we don't have to make them ;-) and if the manager continues with his historical progression of % of games won throughout his career, we'll be there or there abouts next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 This is going to sound like a Cliche but we have no idea if Naylor would have been good enough back then. After all we don't see players every day and whilst he has looked good there are still things he does wrong - maybe there would have been a lot more if he had been brought in earlier He has moved up several levels of football to join us, and needed time to develop. I don't think he would be playing now if the Carrol signing had worked out. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 I think, as others have said, it's a combination. A change in any of those points you make and we'd be better off. I've criticised Nigel a lot on here and I still don't think he's that great a manager but if we finish too half/top 10 then you can't argue with that and hopefully he's learning and we will add that spark to the hard work we currently have in the team. A return to the free flowing stuff we saw for a few months at the start of last season and I may even start to believe but if we just continue with the 'hard work and effort' route then I doubt we'll be getting out of this league. Fingers crossed for a couple of signings inc a creative player (one who doesn't just languish in the ressies then get loaned out and sold) and we might have a season to get excited about again, finally. In short - board finance a few signings, Nigel uses it wisely and then uses the player he signs, kids have a years extra experience and fingers crossed re injuries. Wow is that a hint of optimism I feel lurking in me somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 Caroll was signed before Brayford got injured for the final time. Brayford played on Carroll's debut at Barnsley. He wasn't brought in so Green could switch to RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 I don't think Brayford would of made the slightest bit of difference. We've seen what he CAN do. But he certainly wasn't doing it when he played this season. He was poor. I just look at games like Boro away second half, Leeds (h&a), WHU(h&a), Forest(h&a), Barnsley(home and away 2nd halves, Blackpool home as proof of what we COULD be like. Nigel must take huge credit for these games because he has to take the blame for the games where we've gone out to "keep it tight, "not lose" and try and "nick a goal". All these displays mentioned were times when we tried to win and it's no coincidence that they were also very good for not giving away chances. We were positve which made us confident. No game can sum up our season more than Boro away. First half - Kept it tight, gave chances away, created little and were 2-0 down Second half - hight tempo, taking risks creating chances and Boro had to take us seriously. Should of won. I think Nigel could and should of got more points. But it gives me hope that we CAN play well under him. And he has asked the players why they cant do that every week. It's hard having such a stubborn manager. But there's a glimmer of hope sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozza Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 its not gonna happen..but if by some miracle we got into playoffs.. i reckon ..on current form.. we'd win promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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