VulcanRam Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 All this building thing is nonsense.. There's no such thing as constant improvement in the NPC.. Look at Millwall and Forest, they went from top 8 and challenging to bottom 8 and struggling in one season.. We could have a marvellous finish to the season and then finish 19th next season.. The 3 teams that have improved the most this year are Derby, Watford and Palace.. Are these 3 all going to be top half next season? I doubt it.. I think all we can do now is enjoy the last games regardless of where we finish and build for next season.. Who knows where we'll finish next season.. We could end up being relegated. You have to think, how may teams would be happy just to stay up? With a few more established teams coming up (Charlton, Sheff Wed, Sheff Utd, Huddlesfield etc.), I can only think of perhaps Millwall, Coventry and Peterborough who would be happy to just stay in the league.. Every other team will fancy a 'year of improvement' and a playoff push.. Overachieving could be disastrous for NC.. When people start expecting top 10 finishes the pressure is going to mount on him if we have a season similar to what Forest and Millwall are having now. I agree with much of this. You can't guarantee progress year on year, and in this league two defeats or wins can make a difference of 10 places, and therefore people's perceptions of whether its a good or bad season. I can't see us going up anytime soon with the combination of our board and manager. Board won't invest the necessary funds and (I'll whisper this) a better manager I think could have had us much nearer the top six than we are now. Anyway, to answer the thread title: to win as many games as possible, and to win as many games as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Leeds ram I assume the three first teamers you say we will/potentially lose for nothing are Roberts - Clough already said we will offer him something Green - down to wages no rumours yet about clubs wanting him S Davies- the club has an option for an extra year so i think he will stay. http://www.dcfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10270~2288181,00.html . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curb Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 A realistic goal for this and next year. hmmm.... Not being relegated is about the best I can come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelScum Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Without going into the details of the fixture list - IF we pick up all 6 points over Easter our position should look very good indeed - maybe even knocking on the top 6. As for next year, well now everything has been sorted ie deadwood / wages etc we shall see what this board is about. Im hoping for a significant investment in the summer and a definate push for promotion - time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Leeds ram I assume the three first teamers you say we will/potentially lose for nothing are Roberts - Clough already said we will offer him something Green - down to wages no rumours yet about clubs wanting him S Davies- the club has an option for an extra year so i think he will stay. [url=http://www.dcfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10270~2288181,00.html]http://www.dcfc.co.u...2288181,00.html . No to the last and include Barker. (my wording could probably have been better) As you say, the other two depends on offers from other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DissRam Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I would be happy if we stayed in the championship 3 more years and then went and did a Swansea/Norwich. Rather than end up like QPR/Wigan/Wolves for 2 seasons. You say do a Norwich/Swansea rather than a Wolves/Wigan ... Norwich and Swansea are in their first season, whats to say they wont be another Wolves next year? Look at Birmingham a few years ago, first season finished about 8th much like Norwich/Swansea ... next season relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
England Ram Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Realistic- Mid table. -due to depth and overall quality of squad and injuries. Would be nice- closer to the top 6- improvement in playing staff and not many important injuries. Dream land as it stands- Top 6 and pushing for promotion- significant improvement in playing staff, no important injuries and a big slice of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I'd expect top half this season and to challenge for play-offs next season. This league is tough so I don't expect a top 6 but if we play well and challenge for them I'll be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 This season top half needs to be the aim, we have a fairly easy run in and would be less than impressed if we fell asleep now! Next season, I'm not sure what to expect in the summer.. I am dreading it in honesty, think we'll be back in a relegation dogfight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOB BIGGS Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 This season top half needs to be the aim, we have a fairly easy run in and would be less than impressed if we fell asleep now! Next season, I'm not sure what to expect in the summer.. I am dreading it in honesty, think we'll be back in a relegation dogfight! I appreciate that that nobody knows how well we will compete next season but I'd have thought we will make little or no progress without a commanding central midfield player and a quick, attacking right sided midfield player. That's assuming that we can keep hold of our better players as well. It all sounds unlikely to me. The only difference between my view and some of the other comments expressed on here is that I don't necessarily blame anyone. We're treading water until the accounts say otherwise. It's going to take longer than we hoped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I appreciate that that nobody knows how well we will compete next season but I'd have thought we will make little or no progress without a commanding central midfield player and a quick, attacking right sided midfield player. That's assuming that we can keep hold of our better players as well. It all sounds unlikely to me. The only difference between my view and some of the other comments expressed on here is that I don't necessarily blame anyone. We're treading water until the accounts say otherwise. It's going to take longer than we hoped. After looking at the recent accounts, that barely looks possible... 7 million pound loss this year is quite frightening when you think how much we've been cutting costs, and our debt has increased to 25million from 19, although it is interest free... come next season, another 7million pound loss and our debt goes upto 32, and so on and so forth. This summer is going to be a horrible one for us, rumours are that Shackell is to be sold off because of the financial situation although I don't believe it, its not sending positive vibes out about next season. The only noises coming out of the club are about cutting costs and having nothing in terms of money to spend... how long till players start asking questions, can't be good to be playing for a club that openly admits its lack of ambition to move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiffy Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Dont forget that 15ml of the debt has been here from The Three Amigo's, it keeps getting past on from owner to owner, eventually someone has got to repay the loan, thats when we may really in the sh it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 It's a mortgage on a ground that can only be used as a sports ground. I think that debt is just a bargaining chip for the banks to ensure they get any other Loans paid. Call it in and force administration on unwanted owners who are in trouble. It was put in place when PG and the LOG took over to replace the loan to ABC corporation of Panama I think Pretty sure the ground will be remortgaged when in 2016 when it's due for repayment . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curb Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 It's pretty dire whichever way you look at it, very little chance of improvement, debts piling up as per Forest (although they shouldn't be running so high when the wages of Bywater et al finish in the summer), a poor uninspiring manager who tends to fall out with players at the drop of a hat, clubs coming down from the prem awash with money. For all the money GSE have put in it's mostly been squandered on average to mediocre to extremely poor players and it looks to me like they've missed the boat completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 The debts have increased, but last season (which the accounts are for) had full cost of high earners. The next accounts will have some cost of the players that have left too. Incomes dropped by £11m but loss only went up £5m so that's £6m trimmed. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I said when we got relegated from the prem. it would take 5 years to rebuild a team capable of challenging for promotion,still of the same opinion. Next season hope we are in top 1/3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Our wage bill is £5-6m lower than the period these figures cover. Our income is around £1m lower (educated guess) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 If that's true then we will be about £3m from break even - no new signings then. (£7m loss minus the £5m saving on wages plus the £1m decrease in revenue) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 It's pretty dire whichever way you look at it, very little chance of improvement, debts piling up as per Forest (although they shouldn't be running so high when the wages of Bywater et al finish in the summer), a poor uninspiring manager who tends to fall out with players at the drop of a hat, clubs coming down from the prem awash with money. For all the money GSE have put in it's mostly been squandered on average to mediocre to extremely poor players and it looks to me like they've missed the boat completely. I am always curious about these statements that I see from certain posters. Tell me - just who are these players that the manager has fallen out with? Or, are you just saying that anyone who has not been selected must have been left out because the manager has fallen out with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Ram Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 You say do a Norwich/Swansea rather than a Wolves/Wigan ... Norwich and Swansea are in their first season, whats to say they wont be another Wolves next year? Look at Birmingham a few years ago, first season finished about 8th much like Norwich/Swansea ... next season relegation. after winning the Carling Cup and getting into Europe on the way...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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