MuespachRam Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Live on BBC Parliament channel now. Brilliant debate, brings so many terrible memories back..... 22 Years and the TRUTH STILL HASNT COME OUT. 1st debate since the Falklands that any of the front benchs have stayed this late...good on them all, now please lets see the whole truth. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 It sums up everything that's wrong with this country when they have to have a debate on whether to tell us the truth or not. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-213961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 well i imagine a lot of them believe they have told us the truth and it is a question of releasing the documents. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-214017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 well i imagine a lot of them believe they have told us the truth and it is a question of releasing the documents. They KNOW that they havent told the truth. Brilliant debate, the most emotional TV for years. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-214037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyram Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I've just played MP Clive Betts' emotive speech back. I didn't realise he was present at Hillsborough on that fateful day. I wasn't at all surprised to see him very nearly break down in tears as he recalled events. I wasn't there but it still makes me cry too. Maybe now the families involved may get some answers and perhaps some closure - although I find it staggering that the decision to release these papers has took so long. RIP the 96 xx Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-214104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 It sums up everything that's wrong with this country when they have to have a debate on whether to tell us the truth or not. ummm....thats debatable Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-214260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 ummm....thats debatable mass debateable with your fixation on Valerie Singleton....... Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-214266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 i'm not fixated on valerie i just liked the way she handled jason her hands almost subconciously stroking him as she looked directly into our eyes, a soft smile playing on her lips there was a delicacy and a softness as her fingers caressed him it was as if the whole world stood still in that moment she wanted him there and then and he was happy to let her feel him personally i'm surprised it was a kids programme Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-214272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 she had that worldliness that somehow captivated the rampant heart of a testosterone demented teenager. and sally james 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wub:' /> Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-214273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.shilton Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Live on BBC Parliament channel now. Brilliant debate, brings so many terrible memories back..... I was at the circus- with animals and everything, My uncle took us in his XR2 with his new girlfriend Bev. I was just a kid at the time but it is so clear to me now hearing it playing out on the radio when we got back in the car. There is no way I would have remembered any of the above if it wasn't for what happened. Tell the truth you pompous old farts- what gives you the right to decide if someone should know how a son, daughter, brother, sister, mum, dad, wife, husband, uncle or aunt of theirs came to die that day? Their own flesh and blood- Why is there even a debate you heartless b*stards, there never should have been and certainly not 22 years on! Shame on The Sun while we are at it too, shame that you are still publishing drivel after the lies you told and the people you hurt. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-214546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pudding Jack Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 here here mr shilton Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-214548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 It would be very interesting to see if the good people of liverpool would welcome an open inquiry into the Heysel stadium disaster.That certain piece of history seems to have been conveniantly wiped from their memories. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-216462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I was at the circus- with animals and everything, My uncle took us in his XR2 with his new girlfriend Bev. I was just a kid at the time but it is so clear to me now hearing it playing out on the radio when we got back in the car. There is no way I would have remembered any of the above if it wasn't for what happened. Tell the truth you pompous old farts- what gives you the right to decide if someone should know how a son, daughter, brother, sister, mum, dad, wife, husband, uncle or aunt of theirs came to die that day? Their own flesh and blood- Why is there even a debate you heartless b*stards, there never should have been and certainly not 22 years on! Shame on The Sun while we are at it too, shame that you are still publishing drivel after the lies you told and the people you hurt. P.shilton your pain is felt by a lot of people, both with this tradegy, also with what happened in The Falklands, Northern Ireland and other great cover ups that people that are voted into power seem to think they have the right to cover up, hide facts or alter the truth. with reference to the scum, who was PM and who owns the scum? Anything similar happening now? The real issue is, and should be remembered, is that for too many years MPs have been voted in and they think they have been given the power. HOWEVER both the MPs and US have forgotten or ignored the simple fact that WE are the power and MPs REPRESENT that power, and if they do not represent us, they are just like an employee and can be held accountable. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-216522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butthead Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 It would be very interesting to see if the good people of liverpool would welcome an open inquiry into the Heysel stadium disaster.That certain piece of history seems to have been conveniantly wiped from their memories. agreed, this whiter than white ****** is sickening. everyone else is to blame from the police to politicians to newspapers and they even blame Shef Wed football club heysel cost Derby a UEFA cup place, f##k 'em Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-216915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiffy Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Maybe the Police caused it by opening the gate, maybe The Sun lied, maybe there has been a cover up. All these fact, maybe true, but what is certain is that the main contributing cause and factor was the thousands of scouse supporters turning up without tickets, that is stone blind. The same thing could have happened when we where there, how many thousands of ticketless Man U fans were there . Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-216926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Let's be realistic, if you think there was a coverup do you honestly believe the government would allow the documents to be released. Do you believe there would be a debate? and do you think if the motion passes and somehow the government missed the "coverup" do you think they would release the documents which would implicate the government at the time? I somehow doubt that the government would allow it or miss anything to do with the documents. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-216927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butthead Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 What are they actually accused of covering up? The only contributing factor I'm aware of being gleaned over is the ticketless fans, which was a problem for all big games in that era Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-216939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Posted moved, back on topic please That inculdes me. 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wub:' /> Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-216951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butthead Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 can anyone please tell me what is supposedly being covered up? beginning to think this yet another waste of public money and news space...... Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-216964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 can anyone please tell me what is supposedly being covered up? beginning to think this yet another waste of public money and news space...... Discussions and memos that apparently said at the time that the establishment were out to blame the fans, and deflect blame away from themselves. Reasons why the stewarding arrangements outside the ground changed from the year before. The poor state of the ground The reasons behind not closing off the tunnel when the pen was full. Delaying fans en-route to Sheffield - busses and cars were pulled over at the side of the road as late as 2pm I know because I saw it. Poor signage in the ground. Why have the terrace split into three pens with no escape routes. Why were police pushing fans back in when it was obvious people were getting crushed? I think I read somewhere that the police stewards on the gates at pitch side couldn't open the gates at first. Why was the better supported team given the smallest end of the ground? The excuse about arrival into Sheffield isn't good enough. Quite a few causal factors there that were not addressed by the original enquiry I think. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7752-hillsborough-debate/#findComment-217012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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