sage Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 The answer is .......When it's an indirect free kick I meant to post this over the weekend, but surely if a player knocks the ball past you and you collide it's obstruction and therefore an indirect free kick. This rule applies in the area too. I'm sure if the same incident happened on the halfway line that's what the ref would have given. That's based on my basic refereering qualification. Any more qualified ref's out there? P.. Can someone edit the typo in the title Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I can see where you're coming from with this one, but the Fielding incident is open to interpretation I think. If Fielding were just standing his ground then you might have a point, however, Fielding was coming out towards Miller with momentum. I don't think that you could argue that Frank was just standing his ground. It was definitely a penalty. The only real debate is over whether or not it should have been a red card. I'm still not really sure. It seemed harsh but Miller would most likely have put the ball in the net had he not been brought down. Granted Roberts was on hand behind Fielding but I'm not sure he'd have got anywhere near to getting a block in. In hindsight, both were probably the correct decisions. At least it gave Legz a run-out and some much-needed match practice. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 Fielding had stopped moving forwards when they collided. I think on the halfway line, it would have been obstruction in my opinion. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Referees never give indirect freekicks in the area, but I'm sure you're right as I thought the same 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> The penalty should also have been re-taken. There was about 4 players in the box when Reid kicks it. But it was probably wise for the ref to let it go in a derby match like that, but it would have been different if one of those players scored a rebound. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkletoes Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Back pass? Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Fielding had stopped moving forwards when they collided. Don't agree - it was a collision and both were moving. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram2767 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I can see where you're coming from with this one, but the Fielding incident is open to interpretation I think. If Fielding were just standing his ground then you might have a point, however, Fielding was coming out towards Miller with momentum. I don't think that you could argue that Frank was just standing his ground. It was definitely a penalty. The only real debate is over whether or not it should have been a red card. I'm still not really sure. It seemed harsh but Miller would most likely have put the ball in the net had he not been brought down. Granted Roberts was on hand behind Fielding but I'm not sure he'd have got anywhere near to getting a block in. In hindsight, both were probably the correct decisions. At least it gave Legz a run-out and some much-needed match practice. I'm glad Lego has got his chance to impress. Wouldn't have wished it to be in these circumstances but still. He has a pretty good kick on him, good at deliveries when he has a goal kick etc, one of the things highlighted when he was Burton. I'm looking forward to seeing him on Saturday. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 Don't agree - it was a collision and both were moving. If you look at Fieldings feet, he plants them so he can move laterally just before Miller 'shoots' . Therefore stopping his momentum. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I looked. I still don't agree. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 The stupid thing is that Miller knocked the ball forward and then deliberately moved in the direction of the on-rushing keeper. NOT in the direction of where the ball was going. He had no intention of going after the ball, but I suspect that this was because his touch was an attempt to score. Roberts cleared it but if Frank wasn’t in the way Miller would not have got there first anyway. Interesting post though – it was obstruction, and would have been given as such anywhere else. The fact the ball was moving goal-ward (and the hysterical reaction of the Forest clowns) clouded the ref’s judgement Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I think it looked a stonewall penalty, and a red card. Just saying. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 same, and i was directly behind goal, it looked it then and it looks it now. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby_Dave Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 It is a moot point really. To me it was never ever a red card no matter what the "letter of the law" may say. The penalty had to be given though. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Pretty sure obstruction no longer exsists within the game, I think any physical contact that now happens in a game results in a direct free kick, therefore if the foul was given then it has to be a peno. Nothing has changed my mind in that the ref got it right with both the pen and the red, I know where people are coming from when they say it shouldnt be a red card when a penatly is given, but I still beleive it was the right call. Where I thought he did get it wrong was a challenge late on the first half by a red dog, that resulted in only a yellow, studs were showing and it was a tackle that was wreckless and could have resulted in serious damage, cant remember who is was. One thing for sure, is that a) everyone is divided on what should have happened 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='B)' /> we still dont know the rules and we watch how many games a year, and it shows that no matter what the ref would have done, it would have still been debated with not everyone agreeing. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiffy Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 When is a foul in the area not a penalty Mostly when we have a man brought down 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/angry' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':angry:' /> Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I think it looked a stonewall penalty, and a red card. Just saying. I agree. If he'd not given the red card i could see a few reasons why. But i'd expect 70% of referees to of given the red. Had it not been a big game then probably 90% of referees! For a brief moment i was hoping 2mins into a rivalry that Frank would get a yellow. But wasn't too suprised that the red came out. At that point it almost made me 1-2 go home. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Just a thought. If Fielding hadn't collided with Miller, and what with Roberts clearing the ball off the line, 5 minutes in it would have been 0-0 and we'd have had 11 men. Probably would have won 4-0. Referee robbed us. 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Pretty sure obstruction no longer exsists within the game, I think any physical contact that now happens in a game results in a direct free kick, therefore if the foul was given then it has to be a peno. Nothing has changed my mind in that the ref got it right with both the pen and the red, I know where people are coming from when they say it shouldnt be a red card when a penatly is given, but I still beleive it was the right call. Where I thought he did get it wrong was a challenge late on the first half by a red dog, that resulted in only a yellow, studs were showing and it was a tackle that was wreckless and could have resulted in serious damage, cant remember who is was. One thing for sure, is that a) everyone is divided on what should have happened 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='B)' /> we still dont know the rules and we watch how many games a year, and it shows that no matter what the ref would have done, it would have still been debated with not everyone agreeing. [size=1][size=1]An indirect free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if, in the opinion of[/size][/size][size=1][size=1]the referee, a player:[/size][/size][size=1][size=1]• impedes the progress of an opponent[/size][/size][size=1][size=1] [/size][/size][size=1][size=1]Straight from the FA Website. I rest my case.[/size][/size] Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 [size=1][size=1]An indirect free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if, in the opinion of[/size][/size][size=1][size=1]the referee, a player:[/size][/size][size=1][size=1]• impedes the progress of an opponent[/size][/size][size=1][size=1]Straight from the FA Website. I rest my case.[/size][/size] Can you speak up a little? We can't hear you at the back. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 The answer is .......When it's an indirect free kick I meant to post this over the weekend, but surely if a player knocks the ball past you and you collide it's obstruction and therefore an indirect free kick. This rule applies in the area too. I'm sure if the same incident happened on the halfway line that's what the ref would have given. That's based on my basic refereering qualification. Any more qualified ref's out there? P.. Can someone edit the typo in the title To answer the title of the thread, when a foul is committed but the ball is out of play, see Ashley Cole on Hernandez the other day. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7549-when-is-a-foul-in-the-area-not-a-penalty/#findComment-206820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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