nfb Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Its deja vu today as with burnley, todays defeat showed again the deficiencies of the squad, despite 1 or 3 chances like kilbane/ward/brayford, we looked poor going forward for the main part, with lots of 'negative' passing in the final third as they tried to make something happen, it shows again what lots of us have been saying for ages, that we need a 'creative midfielder'(yes i know we have lots of midfielders,but 'creative' ?) and that 'talismanic' centre forward that we were 'promised'.... I think that on our day our defence is good for this Division,we look 'positive' at the back, but as we get to the half way line.........:confused: going forward we look very hit and miss, and thats why we will lose more than we should this season until its fixed. NC maybe 'building from the back', but for me, we need to get those 'loans' in soon.... I still think that we shouldnt be in a relegation fight this season, but depending on loans could be lower or upper mid table. fingers crossed :confused: Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7470-same-old-song/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 The schoolboy-esque foul kick off summed it up really. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7470-same-old-song/#findComment-203914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
matlockramhk Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Pretty dire. Hope it was a one off Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7470-same-old-song/#findComment-203920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 never ever seen a foul given for a miss taken kick off EVER! It had to be us, whilst on telle didn't it. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7470-same-old-song/#findComment-204001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfb Posted September 11, 2011 Author Share Posted September 11, 2011 I have made it no secret im not a fan of NC ( i was advocating Poyet when we signed NC ) , but i give him my support, as i did with other DCFC managers, my concern with him, is that he seems to hold 'grudges' and have 'blind spots' (maybe through stubborness, who knows) but i look at his summer signings, and while within budget for biggus glickus', he seems to have bought in midfielders that compete with each other for the same positions ( one reason why Cywka doesnt get a game, he's scolded him publicly and to play him ahead of Bryson/maguire/ ward etc would lead us to ask why he bought them ? ) while ignoring, other key positions,now it may be that he had intended and even tried to sign players for those key positions, and the lack of players going out has thwarted him financialy with his bugetary constraints.... But, i wonder why he wont play people in a position which suits the way they play, Ward is not a striker, as he showed yesterday, but he isnt a bad player, decent touch/control,works hard, and a hell of a shot, but a midfielder. S Davies, is so hit and miss, as we have seen when he has played throughout his stay here, and for me is someone who if he starts and he doesn't perform, is taken off at half time. Tyson/Robinson, like the midfielders have similar attributes to me, although thats still to be shown, but for me atm, dont look like CF's and so getting a 'balanced' starting 11 is NC's problem, given everyone fit, i think we might all choose a different starting 11..... mine would be... ...............Tyson(lets see?) or Ball Ward...........Bryson.......Cywka ...........Bailey.....B Davies Kilbane...Barker...Shackell....Brayford .................Fielding Subs: Ball / S Davies(if Tysons not fit) Hendrick O'Brien Maguire Legzdins But we sooooo need a CF, and Creative CM. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7470-same-old-song/#findComment-204074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Midfield tough man and one dimensional pacey goalscorer please. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7470-same-old-song/#findComment-204077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Seth looked good in the legends game .. Still only about 31/32 Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7470-same-old-song/#findComment-204112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Seth looked good in the legends game .. Still only about 31/32 Too late - Leeds are already in for him with a £6m bid Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7470-same-old-song/#findComment-204130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotherhamRam Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I have made it no secret im not a fan of NC ( i was advocating Poyet when we signed NC ) , but i give him my support, as i did with other DCFC managers, my concern with him, is that he seems to hold 'grudges' and have 'blind spots' (maybe through stubborness, who knows) but i look at his summer signings, and while within budget for biggus glickus', he seems to have bought in midfielders that compete with each other for the same positions ( one reason why Cywka doesnt get a game, he's scolded him publicly and to play him ahead of Bryson/maguire/ ward etc would lead us to ask why he bought them ? ) while ignoring, other key positions,now it may be that he had intended and even tried to sign players for those key positions, and the lack of players going out has thwarted him financialy with his bugetary constraints.... But, i wonder why he wont play people in a position which suits the way they play, Ward is not a striker, as he showed yesterday, but he isnt a bad player, decent touch/control,works hard, and a hell of a shot, but a midfielder. S Davies, is so hit and miss, as we have seen when he has played throughout his stay here, and for me is someone who if he starts and he doesn't perform, is taken off at half time. Tyson/Robinson, like the midfielders have similar attributes to me, although thats still to be shown, but for me atm, dont look like CF's and so getting a 'balanced' starting 11 is NC's problem, given everyone fit, i think we might all choose a different starting 11..... mine would be... ...............Tyson(lets see?) or Ball Ward...........Bryson.......Cywka ...........Bailey.....B Davies Kilbane...Barker...Shackell....Brayford .................Fielding Subs: Ball / S Davies(if Tysons not fit) Hendrick O'Brien Maguire Legzdins But we sooooo need a CF, and Creative CM. I am sorry this formation would raise to many questions and one that would support anti-clough who say he plays players out of position. Ben Davies IS NEVER a centre midfielder and you would then lose out on the crosses and he was our main outlet Sat and has the most assists to his name. Put him in CM and you take him out. Cywka looks good on ball but when does he pass he too easy to mark as you know he won't pass until he gets that skill not going to be quite good enough. We all know Barker will be next to Shackell once back from injury. The other thing about Clough holding grudges can I point out Croft this is clearly a case which highlights that is a myth. Clough tells players what he wants if they can't deliver they don't play. Let me ask a question if you employed someone to do a certain role but did not do it would you keep asking them to do the job knowing it will have a knock on effect. Keep bringing up last year when the only people who say they had a problem were people not directly involved. Players have a responsibility to produce what they are being asked to do so don't always think it is the manager. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7470-same-old-song/#findComment-204281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfb Posted September 12, 2011 Author Share Posted September 12, 2011 Rotheram you make good points and its good to see reasoning, i wasnt suggesting B Davies as a cm, the layout wasnt as i had planned and i didnt preview it, i had him in front and to the right of Bailey as a lop sided diamond ? As for Cywka, i can only suggest he has produced in the close season and reserves, and for me seems to offer maybe a little more creativity, although i accept your point about not doing his job, but nor do alot of 'creative' players like, Commons,Bueno. I cant help but feel we have too many similar midfielders, and i am an advocate of building a 'horses for courses' squad, and we should have more variety in our midfielders, that said Maguire and bryson have yet to show their 'true colours', so far, maybe :confused: I am no expert, just a passionate supporter for 45 years, and enjoy seeing 'reasoned' and 'informed' arguement, may i ask your squad selection ? Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7470-same-old-song/#findComment-204306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotherhamRam Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Rotheram you make good points and its good to see reasoning, i wasnt suggesting B Davies as a cm, the layout wasnt as i had planned and i didnt preview it, i had him in front and to the right of Bailey as a lop sided diamond ? As for Cywka, i can only suggest he has produced in the close season and reserves, and for me seems to offer maybe a little more creativity, although i accept your point about not doing his job, but nor do alot of 'creative' players like, Commons,Bueno. I cant help but feel we have too many similar midfielders, and i am an advocate of building a 'horses for courses' squad, and we should have more variety in our midfielders, that said Maguire and bryson have yet to show their 'true colours', so far, maybe :confused: I am no expert, just a passionate supporter for 45 years, and enjoy seeing 'reasoned' and 'informed' arguement, may i ask your squad selection ? If we had a Barker and Riggott and Bailey fit it would be as follows ---------------- Fielding --------------- -------Barker---Shackell---Riggott----- Brayford------------------------B. Davies -----------Bailey---Bryson-------------- Maguire---------------------------Ward ---------------Tyson------------------ If wondering why B.Davies in attacking left with Ward in front they are both good at defending both track back however both can defend and cross either one would be as good as each other in that position whilst the other one attacks. This formation is attacking whilst we use which would probably be the strongest back three in the division. Brayford strength is coming forward. Maguire can drift in off him to provide options and the attacking threat of Maguire and Ward supporting Tyson would mean quick break away play with Bryson being the attacking midfielder between him and Bailey, and then Bailey can orchestrate play from middle of the park with the knowledge of the back three supporting him. It is a young mobile team with experience in the CB positions. This for me is the best formation and we also have players who can step into this formation if injuries and the squad can pick this up (only once players are back). We just need Riggott, Anderson and Barker back to cover the three CB positions.For me this formation would not require loans. How does this look? Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7470-same-old-song/#findComment-204340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfb Posted September 12, 2011 Author Share Posted September 12, 2011 I think it looks strong,and better than mine i all honesty, i think the formation is intersting too, and i would love to see it employed all being fit. I wonder if NC or one of his staff ever reads these posts and takes note :confused: i shall read your future posts with interest now i 'know' you Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7470-same-old-song/#findComment-204341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianm Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 If we had a Barker and Riggott and Bailey fit it would be as follows ---------------- Fielding --------------- -------Barker---Shackell---Riggott----- Brayford------------------------B. Davies -----------Bailey---Bryson-------------- Maguire---------------------------Ward ---------------Tyson------------------ If wondering why B.Davies in attacking left with Ward in front they are both good at defending both track back however both can defend and cross either one would be as good as each other in that position whilst the other one attacks. This formation is attacking whilst we use which would probably be the strongest back three in the division. Brayford strength is coming forward. Maguire can drift in off him to provide options and the attacking threat of Maguire and Ward supporting Tyson would mean quick break away play with Bryson being the attacking midfielder between him and Bailey, and then Bailey can orchestrate play from middle of the park with the knowledge of the back three supporting him. It is a young mobile team with experience in the CB positions. This for me is the best formation and we also have players who can step into this formation if injuries and the squad can pick this up (only once players are back). We just need Riggott, Anderson and Barker back to cover the three CB positions.For me this formation would not require loans. How does this look? Very good but Hendrick has a lot more than Bailey and there is more chance of me being fit to play than Riggott ever been. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7470-same-old-song/#findComment-204344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 If we had a Barker and Riggott and Bailey fit it would be as follows ---------------- Fielding --------------- -------Barker---Shackell---Riggott----- Brayford------------------------B. Davies -----------Bailey---Bryson-------------- Maguire---------------------------Ward ---------------Tyson------------------ If wondering why B.Davies in attacking left with Ward in front they are both good at defending both track back however both can defend and cross either one would be as good as each other in that position whilst the other one attacks. This formation is attacking whilst we use which would probably be the strongest back three in the division. Brayford strength is coming forward. Maguire can drift in off him to provide options and the attacking threat of Maguire and Ward supporting Tyson would mean quick break away play with Bryson being the attacking midfielder between him and Bailey, and then Bailey can orchestrate play from middle of the park with the knowledge of the back three supporting him. It is a young mobile team with experience in the CB positions. This for me is the best formation and we also have players who can step into this formation if injuries and the squad can pick this up (only once players are back). We just need Riggott, Anderson and Barker back to cover the three CB positions.For me this formation would not require loans. How does this look? Its interesting without doubt, but the trouble with the "3 at the back" - as was tried by England in Italia '90 - is that you need highly mobile defenders back there. Not 3 behemoths. Any pace put up will cause the wing-backs to collapse onto the back 3 so we end up with a 5-4-1. not a million miles from where we are today in other words. Now - if we could get that formation about 15 yards up the pitch, with the confidence to play each of the back 3 10yards from each other... THEN we would be talking. I prefer (being an old '70's-ite) a standard 4 at the back, but with one of the centre halves a bit more mobile. I had hopes of Leacock, but since he's gone and dusted then I wonder whether Riggott might be the man to bring the ball out. He ain't no Igor, but could he be useful? What I sense we could benefit from is someone who will bring the ball AND the defensive line out with him - we need to get the whole team playing further up the park. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7470-same-old-song/#findComment-204345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabber Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Nige would never go for 3 centre backs. A lot of talk in pre-season about 4-1-3-2 but it has been pretty much 4-2-3-1 all the time. I agree that our wide forwards (Ben Davies and Croft) have been useless in an attacking capacity and without that we may look solid but have an utter dearth of creativity or attacking threat. I am hoping Tyson is fit for Satdee as if he were returning against us he would be a dead cert to score. So I would go with ____________Fielding________________ Brayford___O'Brien*___Shackell___Roberts ________Bryson_________Hendrick______ Cwyka__________Maguire________Ward (S.Davies - too slow?) ____________Tyson______________ * If Riggott is "fit" I would pick him. Cwyka and Ward would provide pace and some attacking threat and Maguire hopefully has the guile to unlock and release Tyson. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7470-same-old-song/#findComment-204393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I have made it no secret im not a fan of NC ( i was advocating Poyet when we signed NC ) Poyet was signed by Brighton after we signed Clough? He wasn't a manager in the english leagues before this? Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7470-same-old-song/#findComment-204415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfb Posted September 13, 2011 Author Share Posted September 13, 2011 Poyet was signed by Brighton after we signed Clough? He wasn't a manager in the english leagues before this? Sorry Boycie, i dont see your point, yes he was signed by Brighton after we signed NC, and no, he hadn't managed a club before, but he was the brains behind weeds form when Denis Wise was 'manager', which lead to him being appointed no2 at Tottenham.... I thought he had done a good job at both, and had a well deserved reputation amongst his peers and contempories.... He stated he wanted to manage an english club and i was advocating we tried for him when we were all voicing our opinions on who we should get at the time, the club went for NC, end of story ?? So your point is........ ps. NC has my full support, as any DCFC manager has, but i reserve the right to criticise...... Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/7470-same-old-song/#findComment-204514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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