DCFC-2010 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Am I the only one who feels a little sorry for Ben Davies? He struggled to cope when he first made the step up from League 1 as he was playing in a team with no confIdence and just when you think his freekicks are getting better and he goes and scores against Leeds which was probably his best game and he has not been involved since as he was injured against QPR. Also when Clough says something like "We want Fielding, Brayford, Barker, Roberts, Bailey and Ward in the first team along new signings." It must make Davies feel like why did I come here? And if Nigel is seriously expecting him to come good after 10 games when he has never played at this level makes you think that Nigel doesn't give certain players a chance. Another example is Varney, simillar thing with him when he joined he was injured and had an illness and when Nigel came he was immediatley gone, despite only playing 5 times when Nigel was here! Also Cywka, since the Pourtsmouth incident he has not really been in the side and I know he has been injured but Nigel didn't include him in the players he would like here strarting next season, which I think is odd as Cywka is probably our most creative winger along with Ward but I would have both in the side as Cywka has miles of potential and Ward has been one of our best signings imo. It is Cywka's first season of professional football and he had a short loan spell with us last season but before that he had only played for Wigan reserves. Since Addison has been back he started the first few games and we were on a terrible run but since he hasn't been given a chance even with injurys to other players. And again Clough hasn't mentioned him in the players to keep which is odd as last year he became and England U21 and we thought he would kick on up until the injury. Hopefully he stays or he could be a one of those players who goes onto better things. Lastly Steve Davies, in the last 2 games he hasn't been as good but he still needs match fitness. I think he has only made something like 25 starts in 5 years which shows you how unfortunate he has been and when he plays he scores goals. He needs a good pre-season and he is another player we should keep. He has become our 2nd top goalscorer after Commons with 5 in 14 games and although it is not much, he has done well as normally it takes a lot longer to score when you have been out for 6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyside Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Good post. I'd certainly like to see them get a run out on Saturday alongside the youngsters Nigel wants to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackNwhites Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Am I the only one who feels a little sorry for Ben Davies? He struggled to cope when he first made the step up from League 1 as he was playing in a team with no confIdence and just when you think his freekicks are getting better and he goes and scores against Leeds which was probably his best game and he has not been involved since as he was injured against QPR. Also when Clough says something like "We want Fielding, Brayford, Barker, Roberts, Bailey and Ward in the first team along new signings." It must make Davies feel like why did I come here? And if Nigel is seriously expecting him to come good after 10 games when he has never played at this level makes you think that Nigel doesn't give certain players a chance. Another example is Varney, simillar thing with him when he joined he was injured and had an illness and when Nigel came he was immediatley gone, despite only playing 5 times when Nigel was here! Also Cywka, since the Pourtsmouth incident he has not really been in the side and I know he has been injured but Nigel didn't include him in the players he would like here strarting next season, which I think is odd as Cywka is probably our most creative winger along with Ward but I would have both in the side as Cywka has miles of potential and Ward has been one of our best signings imo. It is Cywka's first season of professional football and he had a short loan spell with us last season but before that he had only played for Wigan reserves. Since Addison has been back he started the first few games and we were on a terrible run but since he hasn't been given a chance even with injurys to other players. And again Clough hasn't mentioned him in the players to keep which is odd as last year he became and England U21 and we thought he would kick on up until the injury. Hopefully he stays or he could be a one of those players who goes onto better things. Lastly Steve Davies, in the last 2 games he hasn't been as good but he still needs match fitness. I think he has only made something like 25 starts in 5 years which shows you how unfortunate he has been and when he plays he scores goals. He needs a good pre-season and he is another player we should keep. He has become our 2nd top goalscorer after Commons with 5 in 14 games and although it is not much, he has done well as normally it takes a lot longer to score when you have been out for 6 months. Personally, i think it's good timing with Ben Davies to sit him out. Score a goal, then dwell on it for the close season and come back competitive. The other 3 just need time, they are all quite young. Both Davies and Addison have had long lay offs, so take time to shake off the rust. I expect they'll both come back for an early pre season, both working on their stamina. For me, S.Davies, considering the amount of time he's been out, has done really well. He's a fighter. Exactly what we need. Has the passion for the game, next season i hope we see the best of him. He deserves a good season. Cywka just needs the experience, like you said it's first experience of first team football bar last seasons loan spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Maybe Clough isn't bigging them up for the very same reasons you suggest he us being unfair on them. He doesn't want to put too much pressure on them or get fans expectation up and increase pressure that way. He says we need 6-8 players to be competitive at the top. He list 5 names so everyone else is suddenly out of his plans. Last time I checked 5 plus 6-8 is 11-13. We still need another 8-10 players to fill the squad. I take Cloughs comments as needing 6-8 players to give us a squad with enough depth to compete. Looking at experienced players give the good youngsters we have (Cywka,Addison,Davies,Robinson, Ball,Hendrick and O'Brien) and the inexperienced at this level B Davies the chance to gain experience at this level without having the pressure of their being no-one to come in if they are *****. Not having the weight of 30,000 fans' expectations on their shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I wouldn't read too much into the names he read out, probably just thinking off the top of his head after a poor performance, Ben Davies wasn't even on the pitch so probably wasn't even in his mind. From what I've seen of him at Derby and Notts, he's easily good enough to play in this division and in this Derby team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcgodd Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Can't help but think that clough has told addison to sit out the rest of the season until he has fully recovered so he is completely fit for next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Another example is Varney, simillar thing with him when he joined he was injured and had an illness and when Nigel came he was immediatley gone, despite only playing 5 times when Nigel was here! Varney is out for economic reasons - if he plays more games we fall foul of a costly contractual clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I dont feel sorry for any of them. I believe all 4 will get games for us next season and will play their part. If Clough gets the signings he wants, they might not be first choice players, but i still expect these sorts of players to make up the squad and feature on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_ram Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 The problem is, if you're keeping Cywka, Addison, B. Davies etc, then you have to keep them happy. You can only play 11 players on the pitch at any one time & some players will be come restless and disrupt team harmony etc. IF we sign 6-8 Championship players, they will probably be coming for first team football, there's no way Nige is going to play them all at the same time, it would be impossible to find a system for that to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noddyrams Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Another example is Varney, simillar thing with him when he joined he was injured and had an illness and when Nigel came he was immediatley gone, despite only playing 5 times when Nigel was here! There is more to varney than just unfair treatment...I have heard from a source who knows varney on a personal level (played together at Crewe)...basically during a training session with Nigel Clough, Luke varney started shouting and calling cloughs training, to which became an argument and ended by Nigel Clough telling him to leave the training ground and to get out of the club. Which is when varney went to sheff Wednesday, and is why Nigel Clough will never have him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 The problem is, if you're keeping Cywka, Addison, B. Davies etc, then you have to keep them happy. You can only play 11 players on the pitch at any one time & some players will be come restless and disrupt team harmony etc. IF we sign 6-8 Championship players, they will probably be coming for first team football, there's no way Nige is going to play them all at the same time, it would be impossible to find a system for that to work. No matter who us in the squad those not playing week in week out could get unhappy restless or disruptive. No reason to ship out players. It's part of football and not unfair to any of the players. We need strength in depth and keeping those you mention, the 5 Nigel said by name and 6-8 new played could give us strength in depth. Squad rotation and having flexibility to change system to suit opponents will be enough to keep then happy. Professional players know that over a 46 game season they will get a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastKentRam Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Cant agree with Steve Davies, i think he's utter sh*te, especially up front. No pace and no aerial threat, and isnt exactly a top class finisher. Dont see what he offers to the side at all. Used to rate him before he got injured when he played a more attacking midfield role so maybe playing there again he may improve. Up top though he just prances around doing very little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmond_tutu Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Cant agree with Steve Davies, i think he's utter sh*te, especially up front. No pace and no aerial threat, and isnt exactly a top class finisher. Dont see what he offers to the side at all. Used to rate him before he got injured when he played a more attacking midfield role so maybe playing there again he may improve. Up top though he just prances around doing very little. I do think Davies is very over rated by certain fans, but to say he's ***** is abit harsh. He has career has been wrecked by injuries and everytime he seems to peak he gets a 8-12month injury. The club have done the right thing in terms of his short term contract and hopefully if fit and scores, he'll get a longer contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 maybe nigel isn't very good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ram Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Cant agree with Steve Davies, i think he's utter sh*te, especially up front. No pace and no aerial threat, and isnt exactly a top class finisher. Dont see what he offers to the side at all. Used to rate him before he got injured when he played a more attacking midfield role so maybe playing there again he may improve. Up top though he just prances around doing very little. Agree definately, never impressed me, and from my viewpoint he is slow and cumbersome, doesn't have the speed or killer instinct to be a top class striker or even a lesser one. Don't rate him tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotherhamRam Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Ram Nut just a question out of your 1497 posts have you actually posted anything positive lol? Now as for this original post yes I can see where you are coming from. However Ben Davies has you said came into a team after we solf K.Commons how many fans gave him a chance before he put a pair of boots on, on top of this he is was playing in side who was in a major slump, then gets a groin injury. How would you be feeling at the moment? adding pressure on him when he has stepped up could break his career when he still has 2-4 years of good football left. Cywka - No first team football till played for us. He is a crowd favourite probably mainly due to the Portsmouth game. However he is 21 with a lots of skill. However I remember the dogs down the road last season having a similar polish player in Majewski, this year only played I think 23 games and not has affective as last year. He was brought after a season on loan and not hit it off. He to is young. Don't put this type of player under to much stress. He is developing and you don't rush him. Addison - Someone on here already said would not be shocked if Clough has said rest this year and get ready next season. Lets not forget he should not have played this year this was his prognosis. Now for me he is on the tad heavy side (not fat to muck bulk). He will be getting fit and I think if we do not get Ayala back or similar player he will be our centre half with Barker when fit. Again he has had a serious injury and you can not rule out that he may never come back as the same type of player (remember Barnes) so you don't wait to find out in a cuthroat game as football where champioship is unforgiving. S.Davies - He has shown glimpses of what he can do prior to theinjuries, people remember the Commons goal v utd in the semi-final. Now I could not get a ticket for the fame at the time and I remember watching him running at the defence continually and terryfying them. After the game there was talk of 1,000,000 offers banding around. If he can get fit and stay fit and get his speed back up then he will become an asset. Now again he came back to playing after 6months after an ACL reconstruction he is never going to be playing at his best. However lets not forget he is joint top goal scorer with 4 and hasn't played half a season in a side struggling. For me I would play him on the right of the attacking 3 Green - was not included in the list but this is again due to the injury layout. Varney - was the last of the big spend by the board under jewell and indicates how badly the club was run. This was a player who could not break into the Charlton team who was in the bottom 3. We paid a lot of money (just over a million) and a lot on wages for not a lot in return. Played 12 games and scored once after that could not hit a barn door. Yes he score 4 goals when he moved to Blackpool but when was the last time he scored. He is surpless to requirements he is here for the money and there is no way he is a £1,000,000 player and lets not forget Holloway came out initally and said Derby cocked up we can sign him for I think £250000. The question is have they brought him? No, then the question is if we have screwed up that much why have then not signed him if he is as good as some think? These 5 players have minimum 3 years left to play for us and if they were all fit and injury free and remained so then you would be seeing them in the fight to start. The 6-8 players touted is not a surprise how many on here have identified a CB, LB, RB (cover), Holding Midfielder, A creative midfielder and two out and out strikers. Now for me that makes 6. We have signed a creative midfielder in Ward which is good. On top of this we have signed a goal keeper in Fielding and think you will see Ross Aitkens take over the number 2 spot. For me no issues you can not rely on players who have been out for a long time as you never know how they will fair on their return and to do is both unfair to the player and the manager. There is nothing wrong with what he has said and it is a case of now seeing who comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 maybe nigel isn't very good? Maybe. Most professional football people seem to think he is. Most Stoke fans thought Tony Pulis was'nt very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.shilton Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I wouldn't be surprised to see S. Davies go out on loan or even be sold if we sign decent players. It's a shame Green is injured because I think we could have expected a decent offer for him this summer and I wouldn't miss him. Addison is far too heavy at the minute and lack of fitness makes him look even worse, I think that with a good pre-season however he could come back strong. Ben Davies will continue to blow hot and cold in my opinion but think he his worth holding on to for now. If Cwyka goes I will be very annoyed as I feel that he could quickly become one of our main men with a little work. We should make it clear that Varney is available and maybe use him as leverage in a deal to bring in a decent player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I can't stand the general opinion on here at times, in what world is Steve Davies ****? 5 goals in 14 starts, which is better than 1 goal in 3 games and coming off a long injury like he did, playing in a new position. I just can't see how he can be-rated for that if he was to score 15 goals next season he would more than likely be our top goalscorer, he has got a better strike record for us than Hulse has at QPR.. both coming back from injury, so how can you call him ****? absolutely beyond me! I think we're going to need a strong 20 man squad at least, not including youngsters..etc to compete at the top of this division, The players mentioned fall into that mould, I wouldn't be surprised to see any of the players mentioned break through and have a brilliant season next year, all capable of it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Ram Nut just a question out of your 1497 posts have you actually posted anything positive lol? just asking ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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