Who will want to come?

[nfb]

After another dismal performance, it crossed my mind that while we have been suggesting who we would like to attract, after what has happened this season with 4 wins in 2011, and such a slump, and also NC's performances (slagging off players in the press,stuborn arrogance and strange decisions, in selection, substitutions, etc... which all get talked about by players as well as us ! )

I wouldnt be suprised if Bueno cant wait to leave,and go anywhere else...

So my question is, will all the above and more, affect who will want to come and pull on the shirt ?

As we saw last year players who we were linked to, choose other clubs...

will we be left choosing from players others dont want, or will we have to pay over the top, in either fees or wages.

Clough just said, 'how many of those players out there today do we want there in August, not too many ! '

This is HIS squad, HIS choices......

I cant wait to see what happens..... god help us!:eek:

[EastKentRam]

It's definitely concerning, players from lower divisions shouldnt be too difficult to attract but they're harder to find. I cant see why anyone proven at this division or higher would want to come and play for Clough, done very little since joining us and his treatment of players doesnt look welcoming from an outsiders point of view.

[CraigZ]

We'd probably have to lob a few grand a week more onto any contract offer than half the clubs in the division.

Can only see one outcome from that. And it's lots more statements to the tune of, "We made him a good offer, but..."

[SillyBilly]

Money talks for most players. Though I don't even think we can offer that these days. 19th position adrift of 18th by a fair margin is the goal it seems and it could potentially be 21st. I'd have took that a few weeks back but I worry more for what it does for the supporter base than player prospects. I thought a nice push up the league after a couple of good displays and a challenge on last years total would really set us up for a good close season. Today was all about pride, and we lost it.

[Crozzling]

I am not a wrist slasher or a doom mongerer or any other meaningless buzz words you guys like to throw around at anyone with any reservations towards our manager but I actually think one of our summer signings should be a new manager.

If our aim is realistically top 6 then I think it's needed.

[Bris Vegas]

Money talks, simple really.

As I've mentioned, 18 or so teams going for promotion next season. We're no different to Ipswich or Millwall.

Why would teams choose us over them. Either money or location is pretty much the only answer.. As every club will sell them the same lines.. 'Were going for promotion this season, aim will be top 6, future is to consolidate in the PL'...

But that's only attracting players who are wanted by other clubs. We could quite easily bring in a mix of foreign players no-one has heard of, youths from the academy and a few lower league players and find ourselves in the promotion mix like George Burley did.

We don't need to spend $5mil (total) on proven NPC players to forge a promotion winning squad.

[Boycie]

Don't forget the 6 months of "they need time to gel" from the gaffa

[james_ram]

Don't forget the 6 months of "they need time to gel" from the gaffa

It makes me laugh when managers say that, about needing time to gel. If i was on the money some of them are on, id of stuck to all the other players straight away:D

[Ambitious]

After another dismal performance, it crossed my mind that while we have been suggesting who we would like to attract, after what has happened this season with 4 wins in 2011, and such a slump, and also NC's performances (slagging off players in the press,stuborn arrogance and strange decisions, in selection, substitutions, etc... which all get talked about by players as well as us ! )

I wouldnt be suprised if Bueno cant wait to leave,and go anywhere else...

So my question is, will all the above and more, affect who will want to come and pull on the shirt ?

As we saw last year players who we were linked to, choose other clubs...

will we be left choosing from players others dont want, or will we have to pay over the top, in either fees or wages.

Clough just said, 'how many of those players out there today do we want there in August, not too many ! '

This is HIS squad, HIS choices......

I cant wait to see what happens..... god help us!:eek:

This is complete ********, I'm sorry.. it's the championship and it's a money game. I don't think a meaningless game at the end of the season is going to be a guide to how the next 2-3 years of Derby County are going to go, and as I previously said 'money game' Nicky Maynard is perhaps the best player in the division for me, been injured this season however if we were to triple his wage and have a bid accepted, do you really think he'd say no?

Every player in this division and below is available to us, we've just got to show them the money.

[p.shilton]

Agree completely, I don't want us to pay over the odds for players but don't want us to scrimp either. It seems that we have been trying "cheeky bids" too often and need to show real intent. With our support and our stadium and training facilities we are surely in pole position to sign quality players, it's time to show potential signings that we are a club on the up. We have got the wage bill down, we have reduced the debt massively and we are ready for the push to the prem. Nige has definitely gone overboard at times this season but it shows a passion and will to succeed- unfortunately it needs to be backed with cash!

[nfb]

This is complete ********, I'm sorry.. it's the championship and it's a money game. I don't think a meaningless game at the end of the season is going to be a guide to how the next 2-3 years of Derby County are going to go, and as I previously said 'money game' Nicky Maynard is perhaps the best player in the division for me, been injured this season however if we were to triple his wage and have a bid accepted, do you really think he'd say no?

Every player in this division and below is available to us, we've just got to show them the money.

If what i say is complete ********, then i question why firstly you say about a meaningless game ? i say its about our season, and highlight our 2011 perfomances, and whether that plus other reasons will mean we will have to pay over the top ? You then go on to say that players will come if we triple their wages....... :eek:

LOL, dont appologise ambitious, saying i talk ******** is kind of ironic and made me smile.

[WilkoRam]

I can see what you're saying. Money is probably the biggest factor, however, if you have us and say Reading (should they not get promoted) going for the same player and offering around the same wages, who do you think they'll go to? Finishing just outside relegation again doesn't help attract players. Yes if you pay more they'll probably come to you (just like any job) but also (just like any job) the size and recent history of the place you're moving to is a factor. If we're in competition with another club for a player you can bet we'll pay more wages than them if we're to get them.

As for Nigel and his public slating of players. I'm sure this won't help with some players. But I think he probably knows this. Fielding seems more than happy to come back and play for him and I'm sure other players who fit in with Nigel will say how good it is at Derby. Nigel strikes me very much as someone who has a type of mentality he expects in players and if you're not it he'll tell everyone and also if you do wrong he'll tell everyone. However if you do what he asks and perform he'll be in your corner. (if anyone says 'just like his Dad' I will hunt you down). Problem is, players outside the club may well be unsure about how good he may be to work for or how good Derby will be under him and as such may choose a different club until there are signs that we are moving forward.

[Ambitious]

I was pointing out the fact that one game doesn't make a players decision to whether he wants to join the club, as it is.. when the season is over everyone in the championship is on 0pts and we become one of the most attractive prospects, as I said every player in this league and below is available to us, we could sign the championships elite, we'd need to pay through the nose for it.. but it's possible.

but then again, I forgot that we lost to Bristol 2-0 at HOME... we'll be lucky to sign anyone.

[nfb]

I can see what you're saying. Money is probably the biggest factor, however, if you have us and say Reading (should they not get promoted) going for the same player and offering around the same wages, who do you think they'll go to? Finishing just outside relegation again doesn't help attract players. Yes if you pay more they'll probably come to you (just like any job) but also (just like any job) the size and recent history of the place you're moving to is a factor. If we're in competition with another club for a player you can bet we'll pay more wages than them if we're to get them.

As for Nigel and his public slating of players. I'm sure this won't help with some players. But I think he probably knows this. Fielding seems more than happy to come back and play for him and I'm sure other players who fit in with Nigel will say how good it is at Derby. Nigel strikes me very much as someone who has a type of mentality he expects in players and if you're not it he'll tell everyone and also if you do wrong he'll tell everyone. However if you do what he asks and perform he'll be in your corner. (if anyone says 'just like his Dad' I will hunt you down). Problem is, players outside the club may well be unsure about how good he may be to work for or how good Derby will be under him and as such may choose a different club until there are signs that we are moving forward.

Glad you agree, and i guess we'll never know how much the points we raise will affect the potential targets NC selects, but knowing how tightly the board like to run things my worry is that 'trippling there wages' as has been suggested wont go down well....

We can only hope that NC goes on a Man Management course, and if by Jan 2012 we are looking good, maybe that might be the 'window' to bring in some 'real quality' at the right price, to make our promotion push.... I wonder :confused:

[WilkoRam]

I was pointing out the fact that one game doesn't make a players decision to whether he wants to join the club, as it is.. when the season is over everyone in the championship is on 0pts and we become one of the most attractive prospects, as I said every player in this league and below is available to us, we could sign the championships elite, we'd need to pay through the nose for it.. but it's possible.

but then again, I forgot that we lost to Bristol 2-0 at HOME... we'll be lucky to sign anyone.

But you miss the point that it's not about losing 2-0 to Bristol City, it's the season as a whole. You think that 3 seasons of keeping ourselves in the Championship has the same lure as a team who have just missed out on promotion this season?

If you were a player and I said to you West Ham (this is if they miraculously survive in the Prem) have offered you £16k a week to play for them, but Everton have offered you £11k to play for them. Would you go to West Ham and have a better prospect of fighting relegation again or would you go to Everton where you can try for top half and possible Europa League?

[CraigZ]

But you miss the point that it's not about losing 2-0 to Bristol City, it's the season as a whole. You think that 3 seasons of keeping ourselves in the Championship has the same lure as a team who have just missed out on promotion this season?

If you were a player and I said to you West Ham (this is if they miraculously survive in the Prem) have offered you £16k a week to play for them, but Everton have offered you £11k to play for them. Would you go to West Ham and have a better prospect of fighting relegation again or would you go to Everton where you can try for top half and possible Europa League?

This is a very interesting question and there's no single answer - it depends on the player. I certainly think it's less clear cut than you think. Let's say you're talking about a three-year contract. That's £2.5m at West Ham and about £1.7m at Everton. The average pro probably has only eight years to make his money (assuming they don't start earning big until their early twenties). So you'd be giving up £800k over three years.

At the start of my career I took a job for 25% less salary than another I'd been offered because I knew it would stand me in better stead in the long run (a 30-year career). But if I had just a decade to make all the money I might make in my lifetime? Dunno.

One thing's for sure - serious cash needs to be spent in the summer - both to attract the right players and signal the club's intentions to its current staff (manager included) and fans.

[Bris Vegas]

But you miss the point that it's not about losing 2-0 to Bristol City, it's the season as a whole. You think that 3 seasons of keeping ourselves in the Championship has the same lure as a team who have just missed out on promotion this season?

If you were a player and I said to you West Ham (this is if they miraculously survive in the Prem) have offered you £16k a week to play for them, but Everton have offered you £11k to play for them. Would you go to West Ham and have a better prospect of fighting relegation again or would you go to Everton where you can try for top half and possible Europa League?

Things change dramatically. Theres no such thing as 'building' in the Championship. These 3 year plan are absoloute nonsense. With around 18 clubs, you either get promoted, or you don't.. It's really that simple.

A club can finish 19th one season then win promotion the next season. Nottm Forest, Blackpool, Cardiff, Hull, Burnley all went from strugglers one season to promotion contenders the next..

On the other hand Bristol City, Sheff Utd, Sheff Wed, Southampton, Palace, Norwich in recent times all went from promotion contenders to relegation fodder the following season after being in the promotion hunt the year before.

Theres such a thing as a stable squad I agree. Reading and Swansea seem to be stable. But when a single team can go out and find the right players over a summer you can seriously with a bit of luck win promotion.

Therefore unless you're Coventry, Barnsley, Ssausagehorpe, Donny, Watford who IMO don't have the ambitions to make the PL just yet, it's irrelevant where you finished as so much can change season on season.

Every year at least 5 teams occupy a top 10 finish who you wouldn't think will be there given their finish the year before.

It's not unrealistic to think that Bristol City, Ipswich, Burnley, Hull, Wigan and West Ham will be next seasons top 6.

[Mary Hindge]

Full Npower Championship table

1 Derby

2 Relegated Prem

3 Relegated Prem

4 Relegated Prem

5 Promoted league 1

6 Promoted league 1

7 Reading

8 Burnley

9 Promoted league 1

10 Ipswich

11 Middlesbrough

12 Coventry

13 Watford

14 Barnsley

15 Crystal Palace

16 Doncaster

17 Watford

18 Bristol City

19 Portsmouth

20 Swansea

21 Leicester

22 Hull

23 Millwall

24 Nott'm Forest

25 Leeds

I have put the league in what order I would join if they were to all offer me the same money and promise of first team football, now I'm pretty sure no one on this forum never mind person in the world would put the list in the same order it's all down to what the player wants and who he would want to work with or what stadium he wants to play in, what area you want to move to what other players are there!

The main thing it comes down to is money if Weeds or the scum were to offer me 5 times as much as Derby well I would have to think about that for along time....................and choose Derby of course

[nfb]

Full Npower Championship table

1 Derby

2 Relegated Prem

3 Relegated Prem

4 Relegated Prem

5 Promoted league 1

6 Promoted league 1

7 Reading

8 Burnley

9 Promoted league 1

10 Ipswich

11 Middlesbrough

12 Coventry

13 Watford

14 Barnsley

15 Crystal Palace

16 Doncaster

17 Watford

18 Bristol City

19 Portsmouth

20 Swansea

21 Leicester

22 Hull

23 Millwall

24 Nott'm Forest

25 Leeds

I have put the league in what order I would join if they were to all offer me the same money and promise of first team football, now I'm pretty sure no one on this forum never mind person in the world would put the list in the same order it's all down to what the player wants and who he would want to work with or what stadium he wants to play in, what area you want to move to what other players are there!

The main thing it comes down to is money if Weeds or the scum were to offer me 5 times as much as Derby well I would have to think about that for along time....................and choose Derby of course

Methinks this is done more with your heart than your head

[WilkoRam]

Things change dramatically. Theres no such thing as 'building' in the Championship. These 3 year plan are absoloute nonsense. With around 18 clubs, you either get promoted, or you don't.. It's really that simple.

A club can finish 19th one season then win promotion the next season. Nottm Forest, Blackpool, Cardiff, Hull, Burnley all went from strugglers one season to promotion contenders the next..

On the other hand Bristol City, Sheff Utd, Sheff Wed, Southampton, Palace, Norwich in recent times all went from promotion contenders to relegation fodder the following season after being in the promotion hunt the year before.

Theres such a thing as a stable squad I agree. Reading and Swansea seem to be stable. But when a single team can go out and find the right players over a summer you can seriously with a bit of luck win promotion.

Therefore unless you're Coventry, Barnsley, Ssausagehorpe, Donny, Watford who IMO don't have the ambitions to make the PL just yet, it's irrelevant where you finished as so much can change season on season.

Every year at least 5 teams occupy a top 10 finish who you wouldn't think will be there given their finish the year before.

It's not unrealistic to think that Bristol City, Ipswich, Burnley, Hull, Wigan and West Ham will be next seasons top 6.

I get what you're saying but I don't think many players will want to be in the first batch if you get me. As in we have a team that is struggling and a manager who, for whatever reason, has been managing us at the bottom end of the table. Now if a few players signed then others may well see signs that this will change and we mean business, however would you be one of the first ones to come to a club where it is unknown how the manager will do and who else might be signed?