SDR Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 not sure if this has been posted before, but there is a safe standing petition that has been going round for a week or two, the germans do it fine so why cant we ? would make the barmy armys job alot easier, ive signed up http://www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/safestanding.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Have you been to a match in germany, the culture of fans is totally different to ours and where they do it are purpose built. I don't see the point of bringing the risk back nothing bad has happened since all seaters come in. The atmosphere isn't as good but the demographic that goes to football has also changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Have you been to a match in germany, the culture of fans is totally different to ours and where they do it are purpose built. I don't see the point of bringing the risk back nothing bad has happened since all seaters come in. The atmosphere isn't as good but the demographic that goes to football has also changed. People should be given the choice. Terracing was around in football for 100 years and you can count the accidents on one hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghRam Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 nothing bad has happened since all seaters come in. The atmosphere isn't as good You don't think that's a bad thing? Safe terracing can exist, and only good can come from that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 People should be given the choice. Terracing was around in football for 100 years and you can count the accidents on one hand. Run me through how many people have died because of terracing? How do we know it can be safe as a few clubs in germany do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Run me through how many people have died because of terracing? How do we know it can be safe as a few clubs in germany do it In my lifetime none have died due to terracing. People died at Heysel due to hooliganism and a wall being knocked over. People died at Hillsborough but that was down to bad policing not terracing, the same would have happened had the police opened the gates to an all seater area. People died at Valley Parade but the people who died were in a seating area. There is a standing area in The Nou Camp which is always full and have never read about any accidents there. Terracing is fine as long as not over crowded and properly policed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 I think with all ticket areas and the right design it could be made safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 In my lifetime none have died due to terracing. People died at Heysel due to hooliganism and a wall being knocked over. People died at Hysel because the Liverpool hooligans were allowed to run riot because of the terracing. If they were seated it is doubtful that it would have happened People died at Hillsborough but that was down to bad policing not terracing, the same would have happened had the police opened the gates to an all seater area. There may have been bad policing, but the fact is that hoards of drunken Liverpool fans turning up late and expecting to get straight into the stadium also created much of the situation. If there had been allocated seating it is certain that it would not have happened. People died at Valley Parade but the people who died were in a seating area. Very true, a stand built out of wood instead of the much safer modern all seater stadiums. There is a standing area in The Nou Camp which is always full and have never read about any accidents there. The Catalan fans are obviously better behaved than British fans have historically been Standing is not going to happen, there is no need for it in the modern game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghRam Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 There is a standing area in The Nou Camp which is always full and have never read about any accidents there. The Catalan fans are obviously better behaved than British fans have historically been Standing is not going to happen, there is no need for it in the modern game. better behaved than British fans have historically been? emjlc02 points out that the demographic that goes to football has changed, there's no chance of modern day British fan rioting like they used to. There is a desperate need for standing in our game that is dying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 better behaved than British fans have historically been? emjlc02 points out that the demographic that goes to football has changed, there's no chance of modern day British fan rioting like they used to. There is a desperate need for standing in our game that is dying Could it be that it has changed purely because of all seater stadiums. I don't see the need for it myself and cannot see it ever happening again. 'Better atmosphere' is the only argument I hear and that is unlikely to get the powers that be to reverse the policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 In my lifetime none have died due to terracing. People died at Heysel due to hooliganism and a wall being knocked over. People died at Hysel because the Liverpool hooligans were allowed to run riot because of the terracing. If they were seated it is doubtful that it would have happened People died at Hillsborough but that was down to bad policing not terracing, the same would have happened had the police opened the gates to an all seater area. There may have been bad policing, but the fact is that hoards of drunken Liverpool fans turning up late and expecting to get straight into the stadium also created much of the situation. If there had been allocated seating it is certain that it would not have happened. People died at Valley Parade but the people who died were in a seating area. Very true, a stand built out of wood instead of the much safer modern all seater stadiums. There is a standing area in The Nou Camp which is always full and have never read about any accidents there. The Catalan fans are obviously better behaved than British fans have historically been Standing is not going to happen, there is no need for it in the modern game. Jeepers BCN, that's a hell of a debut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 If it happened I would buy a season ticket in the standing area. When I'm too old and needed to sit I would move to a seated area. I would like to have the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 There may have been bad policing, but the fact is that hoards of drunken Liverpool fans turning up late and expecting to get straight into the stadium also created much of the situation. If there had been allocated seating it is certain that it would not have happened.QUOTE] "There may have been bad policing" I think that's a given Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Jeepers BCN, that's a hell of a debut. Not so much a debut, more a case of having computer issues and can't remember any of my previous log in details (including the password for the email address I used). So, more a case of a name change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghRam Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Could it be that it has changed purely because of all seater stadiums. I don't see the need for it myself and cannot see it ever happening again. 'Better atmosphere' is the only argument I hear and that is unlikely to get the powers that be to reverse the policy. Maybe, but we're never going to go back to that are we, it just won' t happen, whether we bring in standing or not. I agree, it's unlikely to happen but that doesn't mean that I don't think it should happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Not so much a debut, more a case of having computer issues and can't remember any of my previous log in details (including the password for the email address I used). So, more a case of a name change. well, if you can still get on that internet thing, you should probably read some of the stuff on what actually happened at hillsborough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 If it happened I would buy a season ticket in the standing area. When I'm too old and needed to sit I would move to a seated area. I would like to have the choice. To be honest, when I watch Burton I sometimes stand, but I have seen more trouble at Burton Albion (nearly all from away fans in the standing area) in the last 2/3 years than I have at Pride Park. I just don't think the argument is strong enough for any change in the top two divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 well, if you can still get on that internet thing, you should probably read some of the stuff on what actually happened at hillsborough I have seen the footage, badly behaved Liverpool fans many of whom had drunk too much, pushing into the centre portion of the terracing when there was room in the wings. The Police obviously handled it badly but it could be argued that the Liverpool fans were partially responsible for the death of their fellow fans. The remainder of the guilt of course falls with the rest of the hooligans of that time who caused the decision to be made to put up fencing, which in turn stopped the Liverpool fans at the front escaping onto the pitch. I have seen too much violence at football grounds to ever want to get back to those days. I firmly think we should restrict the movement of fans by keeping them in their seats. But then again, that is just my own opinion!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Maybe, but we're never going to go back to that are we, it just won' t happen, whether we bring in standing or not. I agree, it's unlikely to happen but that doesn't mean that I don't think it should happen. Will just differ on that one then eh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 There may have been bad policing, but the fact is that hoards of drunken Liverpool fans turning up late and expecting to get straight into the stadium also created much of the situation. If there had been allocated seating it is certain that it would not have happened. Liverpool fans were no angels but were certainly no worse than other fans of the era. The police lost it that day with a very inexperienced officer in charge. Even when people were dying in the crush police did not open the gates to let them spill on to the pitch. In the end individual policemen started to open the gates before the order came from the top cause they could see what was happening. The one thing that really sticks in my mind was what Mrs Thatchers spin doctor at the time, (Sir Bernard Ingham), said years later. He was advised by his boss that day to make sure that the police were not blamed as they were only just recovering from the bad press of the miners strike. The Sun duly obliged with their front page blaming it all on the fans. They had no idea at that point what had really happened yet had decided to apportion blame. ******** of the highest order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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