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[Curtains]

In March of 2009, ‘The Damned United’ was released to the cinemas after months and months of build up, speculation and hype. A portrayal on the life of the great Brian Clough, the film was gathering worldwide media hype, with newspapers regularly printing classic quotes by Clough himself.

During this build up and two months prior to his appointment, Nigel Clough was announced Derby County manager. Well, what a cracking piece of publicity for Derby County Football Club and a spectacular tactic by the board when Derby County were on their knees. Having just been relegated from the Premiership, branded the worst ever team to have played in the competition and a string of poor results upon their relegation, the fans were starting to become aggravated.

Nigel Clough was the perfect appointment to get the fans back on side and get a bit of hype around DCFC when they really needed it.

So this begs the question; was Clough ever good enough for the job and will he ever be? Is romantic, old sentiment keeping him at Pride Park? It can’t be his stunning achievements! He’s battled relegation in every season he’s been with Derby, never taking them forward. Ssausagehorpe did the double over them last season and though you could let a scrappy 2-1 defeat go by as a mistake, but Scunny hammered them from pillar to post with Derby never seeing the ball. This season, they’ve had their biggest rivals do the double over them and have a team full of loan players.

For a club the size of Derby County, is any of this acceptable? Simply put, no. There is no manager out there allowed to sign the likes of Boulding, Porter, Pringle, Buxton, Bueno and talented-yet-perma-crocked Steve Davies. He also plays his team through Robbie Savage.

Yes, local rivals will go on about them ‘giving’ free tickets away but it encourages a new generation of fans. I’m quite sure many other Championship, not to mention Premiership clubs’ fans wished their respective teams encouraged fans into the ground as much they do. Fans have always been close to the club and that much is admirable. They always top or are in the top three for attendance and their away fans are amongst the best if not the best in the league.

They deserve more for their efforts and loyalty than the mediocrity of what they’ve been ‘rewarded’ over the past few years. It’s a bit like the feeling when you try and try for success, only for that half-arsed spotty kid in the corner to get the reward.

So, once again we turn to that old question; is, was and will he ever be good enough for the job? Is his families links with Derby keeping him away from the trapdoor in the chairman’s office?

I’ll leave that to you!

Titled "Nigel Clough is sentiment keeping him at Derby" and it was by a guy called Craig i thought it was a good read

[rynny]

I stopped reading at got a team full of loan players, talk about twisting things to make get a very poor point across!!

[ladyram]

Tis an interesting read curtains. The guys right about things though.

I think if Cloughie goes for not having the experience to do the job, then we might see him come back in the future to give it another go.

He can obviously do some things right though - look at Burton! Not the same league as us I know - but his man managment skills did work there, so what's happened? Saying that though, he did have 10 years there, as opposed to only 2 here. If we are disappointed by what's happening, imagine how he feels? I'd give him bonus points for having the balls to stay and not bolting when things aren't going to plan because his life must be far from easy at the moment.

I haven't forgotten earlier this season when everything was going right with all the goals that were going in but team members leaving, bad feelings, negative press and board protests (understandable I know) have all gone to contributing to the current lack of form. This must affect Cloughie aswell as the team, surely?

I know by past comments he's made he's not made it easy for himself with open critisism of players and he seems to have learned from this but he's still in the firing line most of the time.

After all the words have been said though, surely the onus is on the team to prove the doubters wrong and scrap for every ball by showing passion and commitment, backed by the manager who knows their capabilities, who in turn is backed by a board who give a monkeys.

I'm not saying Cloughy's blameless because he's not and he'd be the first one to admit this. There's a lot of contributing factors, fans booing, the team, and the board have all played their own part, that's why we are where we are.

That's my view FWIW - which is precisely nowt but I'll contribute to the forum anyhow because lets face it, it's just a huge suggestion box on steroids.

[NorfolkRam]

Good post ladyram, I agree with all of it.

[K.Ram]

Your very good post is understandable Ladyram. But after 2 years of NC's management I can not see any progress on the pitch. The purple patch we had seems a long way away and I think it was down to luck and not NC's management because we seem to be a totally different outfit, with negativity pouring out from all sides.

Surely a managers job is to motivate his players to perform to a standard that they are capable of. The questions that all us fans ask is why are the players performing so inadequately? Is it because they are not capable or is it because they are mismanaged? Answer to both q's lies at Nigel Clough's feet.

Irrational sackings of managers is obviously not the answer but identifying a persons inability to manage at a certain levels is.

It can be argued that Nigel has not had the financial support but the club officials have continually stated that funds are available but players perpetually do not meet the clubs/Nigel's valuations.

There are so many other aspects of what keeps happening on the pitch that only NC can be held responsible for. Ultimately he is responsible for results! How long should the people in charge accept poor results?

I am convinced that NC is way out of his depth but I totally respect your point of view. I cant muster any optimistic views on the man.

[WilkoRam]

We didn't play good football due to luck. You don't get a team playing and passing like that as a fluke. It was worked on and training was geared towards that style, you can bet on that.

I think the only issue has been the reaction when things got a bit tricky. I imagine (as GSE and Nigel will both be here next season) that we'll see passing football again at the start of next season. What happened this season though, was that we lost a few games after that run and it then went back to 'hit it long', 'keep it tight', 'nick a goal' tactics that made so many of us hate watching the football of last season.

I don't think it's the players that have chocked when the going got a bit tough I think it's Nigel. It went too quickly to 'scrap for every point' and 'bodies in the way'

Should we not go through a tricky patch next season (highly unlikely) then Nigel will probably do well and have the players playing good football again. Just don't expect it to stay like that if we hit a dodgy patch.

[Ramalama]

We didn't play good football due to luck. You don't get a team playing and passing like that as a fluke. It was worked on and training was geared towards that style, you can bet on that.

I think the only issue has been the reaction when things got a bit tricky. I imagine (as GSE and Nigel will both be here next season) that we'll see passing football again at the start of next season. What happened this season though, was that we lost a few games after that run and it then went back to 'hit it long', 'keep it tight', 'nick a goal' tactics that made so many of us hate watching the football of last season.

I don't think it's the players that have chocked when the going got a bit tough I think it's Nigel. It went too quickly to 'scrap for every point' and 'bodies in the way'

Should we not go through a tricky patch next season (highly unlikely) then Nigel will probably do well and have the players playing good football again. Just don't expect it to stay like that if we hit a dodgy patch.

He should have had the strength and confidence in the players to pull through by continuing to play football, we'd have got tonked a few times, but we'd have a damn sight more points than we have now, instead he's bottled it and alienated the players that were playing so well, Bueno and Cywka should have been given the freedom to play their football, encouraged at every opportinity, not dropped and bollocked in the press, Green and Brayford should have stayed together linking up on the right.

Now he's lost it and probably lost most of the players in the process.

[WilkoRam]

He should have had the strength and confidence in the players to pull through by continuing to play football, we'd have got tonked a few times, but we'd have a damn sight more points than we have now, instead he's bottled it and alienated the players that were playing so well, Bueno and Cywka should have been given the freedom to play their football, encouraged at every opportinity, not dropped and bollocked in the press, Green and Brayford should have stayed together linking up on the right.

Now he's lost it and probably lost most of the players in the process.

I'm not sure how many players he's lost due to it. But agree he should had stuck with it rather than bottle it. Today we won as we attacked a fair bit and closed them down all over the pitch. Had we put 11 men behind the ball and defended for 90mins we would have been battered. So fair play for today and hopefully it's a sign of things to come again.

[uttoxram75]

In March of 2009, ‘The Damned United’ was released to the cinemas after months and months of build up, speculation and hype. A portrayal on the life of the great Brian Clough, the film was gathering worldwide media hype, with newspapers regularly printing classic quotes by Clough himself.

During this build up and two months prior to his appointment, Nigel Clough was announced Derby County manager. Well, what a cracking piece of publicity for Derby County Football Club and a spectacular tactic by the board when Derby County were on their knees. Having just been relegated from the Premiership, branded the worst ever team to have played in the competition and a string of poor results upon their relegation, the fans were starting to become aggravated.

Nigel Clough was the perfect appointment to get the fans back on side and get a bit of hype around DCFC when they really needed it.

So this begs the question; was Clough ever good enough for the job and will he ever be? Is romantic, old sentiment keeping him at Pride Park? It can’t be his stunning achievements! He’s battled relegation in every season he’s been with Derby, never taking them forward. Ssausagehorpe did the double over them last season and though you could let a scrappy 2-1 defeat go by as a mistake, but Scunny hammered them from pillar to post with Derby never seeing the ball. This season, they’ve had their biggest rivals do the double over them and have a team full of loan players.

For a club the size of Derby County, is any of this acceptable? Simply put, no. There is no manager out there allowed to sign the likes of Boulding, Porter, Pringle, Buxton, Bueno and talented-yet-perma-crocked Steve Davies. He also plays his team through Robbie Savage.

Yes, local rivals will go on about them ‘giving’ free tickets away but it encourages a new generation of fans. I’m quite sure many other Championship, not to mention Premiership clubs’ fans wished their respective teams encouraged fans into the ground as much they do. Fans have always been close to the club and that much is admirable. They always top or are in the top three for attendance and their away fans are amongst the best if not the best in the league.

They deserve more for their efforts and loyalty than the mediocrity of what they’ve been ‘rewarded’ over the past few years. It’s a bit like the feeling when you try and try for success, only for that half-arsed spotty kid in the corner to get the reward.

So, once again we turn to that old question; is, was and will he ever be good enough for the job? Is his families links with Derby keeping him away from the trapdoor in the chairman’s office?

I’ll leave that to you!

Titled "Nigel Clough is sentiment keeping him at Derby" and it was by a guy called Craig i thought it was a good read

Any one who does'nt rate Clough would see it as "a good read". Fair enough, its all about opinions.

You could just as easily have looked for a positive post about Clough and put that up as " a good read".

Its just a boring old piece of negavity slagging Nigel Clough off.

[Alpha]

"Ssausagehorpe did the double over them last season and though you could let a scrappy 2-1 defeat go by as a mistake, but Scunny hammered them from pillar to post with Derby never seeing the ball. This season, they’ve had their biggest rivals do the double over them and have a team full of loan players.

For a club the size of Derby County, is any of this acceptable? Simply put, no. There is no manager out there allowed to sign the likes of Boulding, Porter, Pringle, Buxton, Bueno and talented-yet-perma-crocked Steve Davies."

Was he at the Scunny game? Either the home or away one. Take your pick. But in both games Ssausagehorpe LET US have the ball. INVITED pressure and the released deadly counter-attacks. Derby did see the ball. Plenty. But the game plan they had was implemented to perfection and even without the ball they were in full control of the 3-2 away defeat and the 4-1 hammering.

Secondly...... "no manager allowed to sign Boulding, Porter......." so on.

What?

Why?

Lets just assume that makes sense..... those are all players of different ages playing in different positions from clubs at different levels and in 2 cases different countries.........

Again, what?

Other than that it's a considerable perspective.

[MrsRam]

Well done today Clough and the Fans .

I lost my voice today backing the team.

So did I.

Team and fans, together.......

[Duracell]

In March of 2009, ‘The Damned United’ was released to the cinemas after months and months of build up, speculation and hype. A portrayal on the life of the great Brian Clough, the film was gathering worldwide media hype, with newspapers regularly printing classic quotes by Clough himself.

During this build up and two months prior to his appointment, Nigel Clough was announced Derby County manager. Well, what a cracking piece of publicity for Derby County Football Club and a spectacular tactic by the board when Derby County were on their knees. Having just been relegated from the Premiership, branded the worst ever team to have played in the competition and a string of poor results upon their relegation, the fans were starting to become aggravated.

Nigel Clough was the perfect appointment to get the fans back on side and get a bit of hype around DCFC when they really needed it.

So this begs the question; was Clough ever good enough for the job and will he ever be? Is romantic, old sentiment keeping him at Pride Park? It can’t be his stunning achievements! He’s battled relegation in every season he’s been with Derby, never taking them forward. Ssausagehorpe did the double over them last season and though you could let a scrappy 2-1 defeat go by as a mistake, but Scunny hammered them from pillar to post with Derby never seeing the ball. This season, they’ve had their biggest rivals do the double over them and have a team full of loan players.

For a club the size of Derby County, is any of this acceptable? Simply put, no. There is no manager out there allowed to sign the likes of Boulding, Porter, Pringle, Buxton, Bueno and talented-yet-perma-crocked Steve Davies. He also plays his team through Robbie Savage.

Yes, local rivals will go on about them ‘giving’ free tickets away but it encourages a new generation of fans. I’m quite sure many other Championship, not to mention Premiership clubs’ fans wished their respective teams encouraged fans into the ground as much they do. Fans have always been close to the club and that much is admirable. They always top or are in the top three for attendance and their away fans are amongst the best if not the best in the league.

They deserve more for their efforts and loyalty than the mediocrity of what they’ve been ‘rewarded’ over the past few years. It’s a bit like the feeling when you try and try for success, only for that half-arsed spotty kid in the corner to get the reward.

So, once again we turn to that old question; is, was and will he ever be good enough for the job? Is his families links with Derby keeping him away from the trapdoor in the chairman’s office?

I’ll leave that to you!

Titled "Nigel Clough is sentiment keeping him at Derby" and it was by a guy called Craig i thought it was a good read

I'm still not sure about Clough myself but after the first paragraph that's one of the most poorly constructed arguments you'll ever see.

And can someone tell him where the apostrophe key is on the keyboard?

[Obi1Kenobi0]

Classic hyperbole. Use of apostrophe seems fine to me.

[Ambitious]

That post is tripe, never read so much ******** in all my life. I think to list Bueno and Davies as players who shouldn't of been allowed to sign just caps it for me, Bueno is a really highly rated player in spain and is worth millions with lots of people watching his progress and Steve Davies(jewells signing anyway) when fit is our best player IMO, he is so raw and direct but carries a lot of ability and end product in his game, if it wasn't for his injuries he would of been a key feature of Derby County in the past 3 years, shame he hasn't really.

also Porter was one of scotlands best players, again, he got injured.. badly and now his career is effectively over, how anyone can blame him is beyond me shows poor intelligence, unless you had an accurate crystal ball you would of never been able to guess the outcome of his signing. You could also guess Boulding has signed on a non-contract, alright.. seems pointless IMO but again with Pringle and Buxton, they're probably (with Doyle) our lowest earning players, Pringle is young and showed himself not to be a bad player but a honest squad player at this level on a low wage, he can do a job.. and as for naming Buxton, clearly a short memory, he is slow.. apart from that he is an incredible centre back, his ability to win a header amazes me, really does.. infact everything bar his pace is well upto scratch.

just an awful post, vile spew that some horrible cretin has managed to muster up in his painfully empty mind.

[WorksopRam]

Bueno is a really highly rated player in spain and is worth millions with lots of people watching his progress.

What makes you say this bit, ambitious?

[blackNwhites]

There is no manager out there allowed to sign the likes of Boulding, Porter, Pringle, Buxton, Bueno and talented-yet-perma-crocked Steve Davies. He also plays his team through Robbie Savage.

What does this even mean?

As for the rest of it, almost as bad as the above paragraph. Nothing makes sense.

[uttoxram75]

What does this even mean?

As for the rest of it, almost as bad as the above paragraph. Nothing makes sense.

Its code for "BLATANT WUMMERY".

[VulcanRam]

What does this even mean?

As for the rest of it, almost as bad as the above paragraph. Nothing makes sense.

Indeed, a poorly written and poorly constructed argument. And with absolutely nothing new to say (not that that's a barrier to being on the forum! )

[PeteDerby]

Yet another thread where some posters don't seem to grasp the circumstances and blame the symptom not the cause. Why just not add this to the other 'Clough Out' poll and be done with it?

I find it quite frightening that some fans think professionals of Clough and Metgods experience in the game, would prefer to sign the players listed in this thread, rather than the experienced players they have publicly stated that the squad needs.

Metgod on Saturday gave the biggest public hint yet about what they have to play with in terms of resources - something that some fans have been warning about for a couple of years.

It is all moving towards an end game with GSE now, with 6 experienced players this summer being the proverbial line in the sand.

[Asanovic]

In March of 2009, ‘The Damned United’ was released to the cinemas after months and months of build up, speculation and hype. A portrayal on the life of the great Brian Clough, the film was gathering worldwide media hype, with newspapers regularly printing classic quotes by Clough himself.

During this build up and two months prior to his appointment, Nigel Clough was announced Derby County manager. Well, what a cracking piece of publicity for Derby County Football Club and a spectacular tactic by the board when Derby County were on their knees. Having just been relegated from the Premiership, branded the worst ever team to have played in the competition and a string of poor results upon their relegation, the fans were starting to become aggravated.

Nigel Clough was the perfect appointment to get the fans back on side and get a bit of hype around DCFC when they really needed it.

So this begs the question; was Clough ever good enough for the job and will he ever be? Is romantic, old sentiment keeping him at Pride Park? It can’t be his stunning achievements! He’s battled relegation in every season he’s been with Derby, never taking them forward. Ssausagehorpe did the double over them last season and though you could let a scrappy 2-1 defeat go by as a mistake, but Scunny hammered them from pillar to post with Derby never seeing the ball. This season, they’ve had their biggest rivals do the double over them and have a team full of loan players.

For a club the size of Derby County, is any of this acceptable? Simply put, no. There is no manager out there allowed to sign the likes of Boulding, Porter, Pringle, Buxton, Bueno and talented-yet-perma-crocked Steve Davies. He also plays his team through Robbie Savage.

Yes, local rivals will go on about them ‘giving’ free tickets away but it encourages a new generation of fans. I’m quite sure many other Championship, not to mention Premiership clubs’ fans wished their respective teams encouraged fans into the ground as much they do. Fans have always been close to the club and that much is admirable. They always top or are in the top three for attendance and their away fans are amongst the best if not the best in the league.

They deserve more for their efforts and loyalty than the mediocrity of what they’ve been ‘rewarded’ over the past few years. It’s a bit like the feeling when you try and try for success, only for that half-arsed spotty kid in the corner to get the reward.

So, once again we turn to that old question; is, was and will he ever be good enough for the job? Is his families links with Derby keeping him away from the trapdoor in the chairman’s office?

I’ll leave that to you!

Titled "Nigel Clough is sentiment keeping him at Derby" and it was by a guy called Craig i thought it was a good read

He didn't sign Steven Davies...