blackNwhites Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 OK, i know a lot of Derby fans like this guy. I don't really like coming down on him so much, because he is a nice guy. Footballing wise, i fail to see what he offers. He's a utility man, which is always nice to have on the bench. If push comes to shove we can use him in an advanced midfield role, defensive midfield role or as right back. But, he's to weak minded for me. You'd expect from one of your senior players to be leading the team, along with Barker, Savage and Bywater. He never seems to choose the right pass when i've seen him, he'll shoot from 30-40 yards out when a forward is making a run and clear. Since we played Leeds at Elland Road i've put him under my own personal spotlight, in that game he misplaced passes so many times and at one point Cywka was making a great run, was free and Green held onto the ball and eventually lost it. He'll pull out of 50/50 balls, if the ball is in the air he'll hop rather than jumping for the ball. It's like he's a con artist, makes himself look to be trying but really there is no desire there, no determination. He is one of our senior players, and for me i feel let down by his supposed potential. Can anyone shed any light into his qualities? I'm literally baffled. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hucknall Ram Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Not sure if it's the case now but during our good run he was our leading assist player. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastKentRam Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 He's an average Championship player, wouldnt say he's got an special qualities, he's just all round average imo. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 He's one of the few left who can command a fee, esp now he is a regular international, so I expect him to be sold in the summer. First season was great, breaking from midfield late to score goals, last season he was injured most of it, and this he's played in a different position most weeks, which can't help. I think he is a central midfielder in a flat four-man midfield, which is just about the only position he hasn't been used in yet! My feeling is either put him in his right position or sell him, because playing him at right back or wide right or here, there and everywhere is no use to him or us. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 At Elland road, he slipped in the past to let Hulse score. He was Donny captain. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I was school captain, doesn't make me much use now. And if the best defence of him that he played in a ball in the opening minutes of the season that led to a goal, that's not much of a defence! To answer the thread title, he's ok, nothing great but better than some. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Since we played Leeds at Elland Road i've put him under my own personal spotlight, in that game he misplaced passes so many times . just replying to a point made. you could argue that "assist" gave us 2 extra points. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I really rate Green. But he's had far more poor games for Derby than good games. When you see the best of him then every attack channels through him. He's involved in all the fine details. When he's poor he's one of the first players in the team to begin making silly basic errors. Also he's a jack of all trades and master of none. Green is one of those players that is good in a good team. Like a few Man Utd players. Wes Brown, Darren Fletcher, Darron Gibson, John O'Shea..... would they leave Man Utd and end up anywhere else half as succesful? Or challenging for half as many trophies? It's probably not as easy as it sounds to look good in a good team. You still have to keep up with players with far more natural ability. Every team needs passengers but passengers like Green need to be at a certain level. If Green goes to a top Championship side he'll probably look like part of the teams driving force. For us we're looking to him for experience and composure. I doubt Green has ever been or ever really wants to be influential. He's a passenger. But he's a passenger good enough for the top end of this division imo. If he could be a genuine goal threat then he'd probably be good enough to be a passenger in the PL. But as it stands, in a struggling Championship team..... Green is very ordinary. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackNwhites Posted March 3, 2011 Author Share Posted March 3, 2011 When you consider the amount of plaudits he had/s, you'd expect him to have quality. Amongst a struggling team he's just one of them, no worse, no better. I don't think he's completely useless, and he did assist Hulse. Not sure it was all his hard work though. I just wanted to see him improving i guess. He's lacks that confidence/motivation to push on, maybe he's another who will benefit from 'established class' around him. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 When you consider the amount of plaudits he had/s, you'd expect him to have quality. Amongst a struggling team he's just one of them, no worse, no better. I don't think he's completely useless, and he did assist Hulse. Not sure it was all his hard work though. I just wanted to see him improving i guess. He's lacks that confidence/motivation to push on, maybe he's another who will benefit from 'established class' around him. Hard for him to improve when he's played at right back, then in an attacking right role in a 3 man attacking midfield, or right wing in a 4-4-2 - none of which are his positions. If Ward was now kept on the wing and was playing poorly would it be his fault or is it because he's a striker not a winger? Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I think Green suffers from being Clough’s trademark utility player, so he’s never settled in to a “best†position Fair play that he is always willing to do his best wherever he gets played, but it doesn’t do him any favours in terms of impressive performances Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Green is yet another player we have that runs round a lot but his second touch is normally a tackle. At least when he plays in midfield though he gets in the opposition box and runs past the forwards Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullspizz Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I think that if Green played in his central midfield role he would be a better player and us a better side. As it stands we have no-body bursting from midfield to give the opposition something to think about. Our central midfield pairing usually sit way off the front players and this leaves quite a gap in front of them, which the opponents tend to exploit. I think that Green in there would cause a few more problems, he has more mobility than Addison or Savage and it is his preferred position. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I tell u what Derbys biggest problem is... We saw it clearly at Crawley ( don't know if it was highlighted on tv) but we are unfit.. Crawley were alot fitter than us , scunny were, all teams are. Be interesting to see team opta stats on distance covered over a season! We are so unfit we never win a 2nd ball or even 3rd, our midfield aren't fit enough to get up n down to support n defend Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Paul Green is one of our better players, despite him having limitations. All our players have limitations that's why they're playing championship football in the lower half of the division! I do think we're a much better team with Green involved, and when on form he is a very good player to have because he'll just bust a gut and do something with the ball, he has done that a few times but on rare occasions. I still think before worrying about Greens limitations you need to look at the rest of the squad, there isn't a player in the team without a limitation to their game, I struggle to see one for Brayford TBH and that's not making him out to be the perfect player because of course he could be stronger, quicker, a better footballer..etc however he doesn't have any weaknesses he would look comfortable in midfield and he is a good defender, his energy was brilliant earlier on in the season although that seems to have dropped. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Paul Green is one of our better players, despite him having limitations. All our players have limitations that's why they're playing championship football in the lower half of the division! I do think we're a much better team with Green involved, and when on form he is a very good player to have because he'll just bust a gut and do something with the ball, he has done that a few times but on rare occasions. I still think before worrying about Greens limitations you need to look at the rest of the squad, there isn't a player in the team without a limitation to their game, I struggle to see one for Brayford TBH and that's not making him out to be the perfect player because of course he could be stronger, quicker, a better footballer..etc however he doesn't have any weaknesses he would look comfortable in midfield and he is a good defender, his energy was brilliant earlier on in the season although that seems to have dropped. If Green is one of our better players it is no wonder why we are struggling. In Clough's systems I can't see a role for him. He is an up and down midfield player in a 442 he is not good enough to play wide or as a creative midfield player. He is OK as a right-back so long as he is not facing a good winger. For defensive midfielder his passing is not reliable enough. Pearson is the same although he could play up and down left or centre but he would need a 442 formation to be effective. If Clough has no long term plans for 442 these two need the Moxey treatment in the summer. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackNwhites Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 Hard for him to improve when he's played at right back, then in an attacking right role in a 3 man attacking midfield, or right wing in a 4-4-2 - none of which are his positions. If Ward was now kept on the wing and was playing poorly would it be his fault or is it because he's a striker not a winger? Good point, utilising Green is having a negative impact on his confidence and progression. Using Ward as the comparison, i guess i have more expectation of Green. Maybe it's his international status, and his reputation amongst some Derby fans that he's a good player. In fact that's exactly why i put him under my spot light. Plus i've seen more of Green than Ward, and i do like Wards work rate which is another thing Green is respected for, but i don't see it. Like i said earlier, it's half hearted, flatters to deceive. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Good point, utilising Green is having a negative impact on his confidence and progression. Using Ward as the comparison, i guess i have more expectation of Green. Maybe it's his international status, and his reputation amongst some Derby fans that he's a good player. In fact that's exactly why i put him under my spot light. Plus i've seen more of Green than Ward, and i do like Wards work rate which is another thing Green is respected for, but i don't see it. Like i said earlier, it's half hearted, flatters to deceive. When he's played as a box to box midfielder I see it more but the other positions are foreign to him, it's not natural to play there for him so the energy and commitment aren't the same. I put this down to not knowing the role and therefore thinking about it too much, worrying about his positioning, the man he's marked, the space he should occupy etc. That sort of thing would come more naturally to him if played in the middle where's he's spent most of his career. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackNwhites Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 When he's played as a box to box midfielder I see it more but the other positions are foreign to him, it's not natural to play there for him so the energy and commitment aren't the same. I put this down to not knowing the role and therefore thinking about it too much, worrying about his positioning, the man he's marked, the space he should occupy etc. That sort of thing would come more naturally to him if played in the middle where's he's spent most of his career. He did look better there, but he's still not that 'class' that is needed within our squad. Really hope Clough gets to bring in his 6 quality players. I wonder who he has in my mind. If Green is part of his long term plan, maybe he will benefit from them. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorksopRam Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I tell u what Derbys biggest problem is... We saw it clearly at Crawley ( don't know if it was highlighted on tv) but we are unfit.. Crawley were alot fitter than us , scunny were, all teams are. Be interesting to see team opta stats on distance covered over a season! We are so unfit we never win a 2nd ball or even 3rd, our midfield aren't fit enough to get up n down to support n defend I'm sure it's been mentioned before, how undisciplined their midweek training sessions are in terms of fitness apparently. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/5799-paul-green/#findComment-141930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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