Cisse Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I was reading an old interview by Tom Glick. He says: "Our vision is for Derby County to be a top-10 side in the Premier League and to be viewed as an extremely well run football club that sets standards in areas of scouting, player development, sales & marketing, customer service, sponsor activation, match-day experience and more". I understand the frustration of our current form but if you try to evaluate things without tempers flaring how would you rate the success of this vision so far. Where have they done good and what should be done differently ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby Loyal Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I was reading an old interview by Tom Glick. He says: "Our vision is for Derby County to be a top-10 side in the Premier League and to be viewed as an extremely well run football club that sets standards in areas of scouting, player development, sales & marketing, customer service, sponsor activation, match-day experience and more". I understand the frustration of our current form but if you try to evaluate things without tempers flaring how would you rate the success of this vision so far. Where have they done good and what should be done differently ? They seemed to spend a lot of money when they first came in, Jewell had a decent kitty and wage bill to play with. They've changed their tune since, I think seeing Blackpool go up on a shoe string has made them think that is the best way of achieving promotion, however that happens once in a blue moon if that often. So becoming a top 10 side in the premier league I can't ever see happening under them, I can't see us ever being a premier league side under GSE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 At the minute we aren't even a top 10 championship club, barely a top 20 championship club.. the top 10 premiership club is a far and distant dream, I doubt we'll even touch the premiership for another 10-15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiffy Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I was reading an old interview by Tom Glick. He says: "Our vision is for Derby County to be a top-10 side in the Premier League and to be viewed as an extremely well run football club that sets standards in areas of scouting, player development, sales & marketing, customer service, sponsor activation, match-day experience and more". I understand the frustration of our current form but if you try to evaluate things without tempers flaring how would you rate the success of this vision so far. Where have they done good and what should be done differently ?He should have gone to "Specsavers". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramexpat Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 He should have gone to "Specsavers". , i think Glick misunderstood the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisse Posted March 3, 2011 Author Share Posted March 3, 2011 But I have understood that board have done some work in sales & marketing, customer service, with sponsors and match-day experience at least they are trying. But how about scouting and player development ? What have they done there ? Are these factors at the level they should be ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkRam Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 He was talking about his Derby team on fifa I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I was reading an old interview by Tom Glick. He says: "Our vision is for Derby County to be a top-10 side in the Premier League and to be viewed as an extremely well run football club that sets standards in areas of scouting, player development, sales & marketing, customer service, sponsor activation, match-day experience and more". I understand the frustration of our current form but if you try to evaluate things without tempers flaring how would you rate the success of this vision so far. Where have they done good and what should be done differently ? I think the fans only need to go as far as asking themselves how many of the things on Glick’s list do they actually give a **** about? Bottom line is that the fans want to see a club that is entertaining to watch and able to compete in the division we’re in. FULL STOP. NO MORE. NO LESS. Sets standards in areas of scouting? Player development? Sales & marketing? Customer service? Sponsor activation? Match-day experience ? Who cares – who buys a season ticket and thinks “well I know we lost 3-1 to Doncaster but all those subsitutions were sponsored by ETS Tyres! Spiffing!†“I know we’ve not won at home for months but the man in the ticket office was very polite†“My otherwise miserable Tuesday night was pepped right up by some unco’s from the local dancing school prancing around at half time to Black-Eyed Fcukin Peas†“To make up for the tragically unwatchable game last night, I cheered my young son up by buying him a Rammie pencil case and a glossy photo of Ben Pringle†Pah! There are some things that these owners have done right, but on this they are VERY wide of the mark and hopelessly out of touch with the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnClement Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 IT is football factors which most influence success and hence revenues. On the football factors on this list Scouting and player development, we have failed completely and abjectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisse Posted March 3, 2011 Author Share Posted March 3, 2011 Why I am interested in what the board is doing in some areas of business is this. If they don`t get everything in order behind the scenes they sure as hell won`t get team this size to the level we fans want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkRam Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I hope they ate getting the house in order before moving forwards. They have stated that the wage bill is in order, especially when savage retires at the end of the season, and Sally these partners must put them where they want to be, I would hope now that they will look to move the playing side forward now and invest in key areas. But we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Why I am interested in what the board is doing in some areas of business is this. If they don`t get everything in order behind the scenes they sure as hell won`t get team this size to the level we fans want. That is true of only scouting and player development - and even then, only to a certain degree The rest of the list is irrelevant stuff to the every day fan (ie the lifeblood of the club) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48 hours Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I think the fans only need to go as far as asking themselves how many of the things on Glick’s list do they actually give a **** about? Bottom line is that the fans want to see a club that is entertaining to watch and able to compete in the division we’re in. FULL STOP. NO MORE. NO LESS. Sets standards in areas of scouting? Player development? Sales & marketing? Customer service? Sponsor activation? Match-day experience ? Who cares – who buys a season ticket and thinks “well I know we lost 3-1 to Doncaster but all those subsitutions were sponsored by ETS Tyres! Spiffing!†“I know we’ve not won at home for months but the man in the ticket office was very polite†“My otherwise miserable Tuesday night was pepped right up by some unco’s from the local dancing school prancing around at half time to Black-Eyed Fcukin Peas†“To make up for the tragically unwatchable game last night, I cheered my young son up by buying him a Rammie pencil case and a glossy photo of Ben Pringle†Pah! There are some things that these owners have done right, but on this they are VERY wide of the mark and hopelessly out of touch with the fans. Absolutely spot on (apart from the Scouting bit) - brilliant post !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I think the fans only need to go as far as asking themselves how many of the things on Glick’s list do they actually give a **** about? Fair comment. I'll try to give my opinion as honestly as I can. Sets standards in areas of scouting? Scouting is related to recruiting the right players, so that gets a thumbs up from me. Importance - 7/10. Player development? Can be critical to the team, especially if you aren't buying the finished article, proven at the level. 9/10 Sales & marketing? Sales relates to income, relates to budgets and investment in the team. Marketing is hand in hand with sales. Without sales and marketing there's no team to watch. Importance 5/10. Customer service? Nowadays everyone expects good service. How many bad experiences does it take for you to not go to a chip shop, a hairdresser or a supermarket. As football fans we're not so fickle, so they can get by with a rude ticket attendant and a 20 minute hold on the line for a season ticket, but its no excuse. Customer service matters. Importance 5/10. Sponsor activation? Sponsorship is something the fan doesn't care much for, unless its going badly. Good sponsorship is worth a small fortune in cash terms, which could equate to a player or two. So from GSE perspective, important. I'd say 7/10. Would you buy a replica strip if the sponsors were Netto, or Anusol? Match-day experience ? This is an alien concept to us, but I'm sure the US view of a sporting event is an experience. For football fans (and it's been this was for a century I bet) a good experience comes from a good result. I think the match day experience is a cherry on top - not only did I watch a good game, get a good result - but we felt like we were at a party as well. Importance 3/10, but unachievable without on the pitch success. All together, with the right scouted players, a well marketed product, great sales, well developed players and great sponsors helping fund this thing, coupled with fans enthused by great customer service and a party-like atmosphere (goes without saying watching a winning team), now that's a utopia I could go for. Is it achievable? Probably not. Most fans only want 3 points after a game and any attempt to market a mobile phone, to enrich the day in any way, to sell anything to us, will be seen as trying to get money out of us. Which obviously is exactly what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I just hope this board achieve this is my liftime the way they are going. Im in my early 30s though so dont hold much hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I've got no problem with running the club in a sustainable way but when you read something like this it makes me think they're going about it the wrong way. They're trying to sort out the club in order to help the team but what they should actually being doing is sorting out the team in order to help the club... They seem to have blinkers on about the fact that if you have a successful side, playing good football and pushing for honours people will turn up and buy your ancillary products no matter what. Whereas if we're playing league 2 standard hoof ball and appear to be happy to stagnate in the hope that 6-7 academy prospects turn into the new "Scholes, Beckham, Giggs, Neville fulcrum" nobody will come and watch even if you're providing lazyboy armchairs to sit on and you're own Hooters girl to fetch you a beer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I did some work at the club back in the Lionel Pickering era and the marketing/sales guys at that time were under no illusions about this fact. I remember clearly them telling me “the most important thing is to have a winning team. When we’re winning the shop is busy, businesses ring up wanting to get involved and money just rolls in.†The worrying thing is that the Yanks seem to think it works the other way around – you get the money in and then wait for the wins. The phrase “speculate to accumulate†seems alien to them. How hard must the job of sales and marketing be right now when we have season ticket holders who struggle to motivate themselves to attend games. Anyway – who cares about winning? We’ve got a monster truck rally to get excited about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 They are investors who have no ties to dcfc.. Investers want a return on there investment.. In my opinion the are asset stripping us.. Get rid of the big wages and that's a little more in there pocket!! Derby county are slowly being tortured into death!! Fc rams of derby anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Fc rams of derby anyone? It's have to be Derby Midland FC surely? The original Derby football team - formed in 1881, three years before DCFC (and merged with DCFC in 1891) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_Midland_F.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I think it's a laps in what is acceptable and what isn't. I think at the minute Derby is being run like a good semi professional side, but not even close to what a professional team should be run like for instance having 1 chief scout roaming about england, surely not acceptable at this level. If I was in charge I would set a level of what I deem acceptable for instance, the coaching and scouting staff either need to go or be demoted because they're not good enough, if Clough doesn't like this then I would also give him a chance to go to, I don't want him to but this club is rotten from the ground up and something needs to change, we need some real leaders in the camp people/drongos like crosby aren't going to cut it, absolute foul man! The standard in player and depth of scouting needs to be improved, for instance when we signed moxey they watched him a number of times and he didn't lose a header, we watched him a number of times and he struggled to win a header. The same could be said about ben davies, they watched him, i've watched him and he produced a lot of quality balls into the box, at the minute he is yet to produce one of them for us, however I believe he will come through and do well even if not with us, in a better team and more confident team with less pressure he would produce. I mean that by more in depth training, find out what they're like as a person and what their personality is like, again, if it was me I would only want players with a family background, I couldn't imagine trying to babysit aload of kids going out on this piss and I also wouldn't want players who struggle in a losing side, a team needs character which we haven't got, that goes through the whole side. You can see my vision is ambitious but at the minute we're being given something along the lines of shepshead dynamo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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