Busby Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Ok we have 39 points, with 13 games to go so we can double our points total to 78, yeah right! Which by the way would have seen us fourth last season! Last year we got 56 points, so need another 17 points to ensure the club is not going backwards! What are the chances? Honnestly, im more concerned about getting the 11 points needed for the magical 50 point mark and hopefully safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campo Bianco Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 short answer - yes we are. these are dark dark days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 There's no way we're getting another 17 point this season. We'll be lucky to get 10 IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Hector Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 The points total is irrelevant, that includes that flukie run in October/November, take that away and we are the worst team in the league. Now I might be playing devils advocate a bit there but the fact is our current position flatters us greatly because of that one good spell. Give us 46 games starting now and we would finish in the bottom two. Going backwards? we are excellerating in reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campo Bianco Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 yeh our run was a lot of home games in oct/nov against weak sides. qpr swansea cardiff and boro (where we never win away) all to come plus others. maps for league one are on standby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby Loyal Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 The points total is irrelevant, that includes that flukie run in October/November, take that away and we are the worst team in the league. Now I might be playing devils advocate a bit there but the fact is our current position flatters us greatly because of that one good spell. Give us 46 games starting now and we would finish in the bottom two. Going backwards? we are excellerating in reverse. Yeah well done, lets take our average over the last two games, gives us 69 points in a 46 game season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I don't think you can argue we have cut corners and therefore left the team short, however compared to other teams in the division and how we've been in the past couple of years I don't think it's as bad as everyone makes out. I don't know who to blame, people make irrational post on here and think that the best way to improve is to change manager, change board, change everything.. but we've been through all that, now people are posting up how well Jewell is doing at ipswich, if it wasn't for the pressure of the fans wanting a change then he could of well still been here, but that's by the by. I have come to the realisation when it comes to Derby there is no quick fix and there is no magic wand, I am deeply disappointed with the way this year has turned out and poor decisions have been made by the board and by clough, however I believe Clough has the ability to become a good manager and I would rather stick by him than bring someone else in, that is my own personal feelings. I am also willing to give the board a chance, well not the board I believe the people AT the club, who deal with the day to day are good at what they do, and the running operations are amongst the best in the championship, which you would expect from a successful sports management organization but the people investing haven't done enough to support their investment, if you want a good return in football you simply cannot sit on your investment, this build a team ******** will eventually only lead to them losing money, a relatively small short term investment would make them better off, although the championship is getting more exposure recently, the premiership is where the money is and if you want a good investment you've ultimately got to be a competitive premiership side. I believe the bar has been set far too low, players are being brought in on the basis that one day they will be able to play in the championship, this for me is a sign of a good league one side who aim to get competitive in the championship in the future, IMO we need to be looking for players who will one day be able to play in the premiership for instance we can look around for 300k-400k championship players in league one, however a player with potential to play in the premiership even in the lower leagues will cost around a million, we've got to be in a position where we can pay these prices otherwise we're either going to grow stale in the championship or drop down into the lower divisions, with that goes our fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Ram Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Most of the passes certainly were tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Hector Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Yeah well done, lets take our average over the last two games, gives us 69 points in a 46 game season. Don't be so rediculous! If you applied a "line of best fit", to our results, the good spell would be ignored as not at all in sinc with all other known data. You have to look at the season as a whole and when you filter in the players who have left, confidence etc, you would probably come to the conclusion that the last 16 games represented a fair appraisal of the teams ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hartley Hare Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Don't be so rediculous! If you applied a "line of best fit", to our results, the good spell would be ignored as not at all in sinc with all other known data. You have to look at the season as a whole and when you filter in the players who have left, confidence etc, you would probably come to the conclusion that the last 16 games represented a fair appraisal of the teams ability. So which is it to be - the season as a whole, or the last 16 games only....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dambuster Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I'm confused, we beat the Blades but lost to a team with Sharp & Gillette. Just off to check the Barnsley squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby_Dave Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Personally believe that our run of form earlier in the season may just save us this year but if we are still being run by our current owners/manager next season I will be extremely concerned. I am not an irrational man but looking down the fixtures left this season I struggle to find another win. Barnsley is 100% must win for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 The points total is irrelevant, that includes that flukie run in October/November, take that away and we are the worst team in the league. Now I might be playing devils advocate a bit there but the fact is our current position flatters us greatly because of that one good spell. Give us 46 games starting now and we would finish in the bottom two. Going backwards? we are excellerating in reverse. It doesn't flatter us, because we actually were on that run. If we were in a good position playing poorly and drawing loads of games, it would flatter us, but we were winning games. So you can't really factor it in, it's an irrelevant comment. There's nothing fluke about it either - under Davies when we went up, we played a pragmatic style, not necessarily attractive but it got the job done. In the good run earlier this year we played excellent football. I agree that if this squad started the season, we'd be in the bottom 3, but the fact they strung a good run together, along with the other poor performances, dictates we are where should be. In terms of accelerating backwards - we're probably playing a similar level football, maybe a little better, than we were at the end of Jewell's tenure. On the field, nothing has progressed, but off it, an inflated wage bill has been savagely hacked, and we've got rid of our most talented players. From a business perspective (which obviously is secondary for the supporters), the club is on a sounder footing than it was. That said, I find the chronic level of underinvestment pretty hard to stomach. As soon as we get some money to spend, I will make a judgement on on whether we are going forwards or backwards. But at the moment we're not comparing eggs with eggs. I think the fact that we're in this situation with the squad we have highlights what an absolutely terrible job Jewell did at Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiffy Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I think we should only count the games we have gotten points from, the defeats should not count:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan B Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I say we are poor and have no money but I never say we have a **** manager. All I can think of to say is look at Sheff utd and Middlesbrough, both top clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTR.93 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I say we are poor and have no money but I never say we have a **** manager. All I can think of to say is look at Sheff utd and Middlesbrough, both top clubs. and neither have been any good since Warnock and McClaren left, we aint been any good since god knows how long.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 It doesn't flatter us, because we actually were on that run. If we were in a good position playing poorly and drawing loads of games, it would flatter us, but we were winning games. So you can't really factor it in, it's an irrelevant comment. There's nothing fluke about it either - under Davies when we went up, we played a pragmatic style, not necessarily attractive but it got the job done. In the good run earlier this year we played excellent football. I agree that if this squad started the season, we'd be in the bottom 3, but the fact they strung a good run together, along with the other poor performances, dictates we are where should be. In terms of accelerating backwards - we're probably playing a similar level football, maybe a little better, than we were at the end of Jewell's tenure. On the field, nothing has progressed, but off it, an inflated wage bill has been savagely hacked, and we've got rid of our most talented players. From a business perspective (which obviously is secondary for the supporters), the club is on a sounder footing than it was. That said, I find the chronic level of underinvestment pretty hard to stomach. As soon as we get some money to spend, I will make a judgement on on whether we are going forwards or backwards. But at the moment we're not comparing eggs with eggs. I think the fact that we're in this situation with the squad we have highlights what an absolutely terrible job Jewell did at Derby. Good post-Jewell and Billy were the main reasons we got into this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTR.93 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 selling fan favourites Hulse and Commons who were amongst the best in the championship and won't be replaced, yes. were so far backwards on the pitch most people ignore that and reckon the "sound financial footing" we are on is more important.. i think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi1Kenobi0 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Good post-Jewell and Billy were the main reasons we got into this mess. Yeah Billy shame on you for getting us promoted. As much as I dislike his personality he is a damn good manager at this level. His ego was his downfall at Derby (and probably that of the board). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Agree with Obi1. BD got us promoted, his arrogance was the problem. He certainly isn't to blame for where we are now, he got us promoted. Sure some will say he wasted money of people like Claude but then doesn't every manager make mistakes in transfers - or do we reserve that argument for when we're defending Nigel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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