Shall we rate the team?

[blackNwhites]

Bywater - 5 - Couldn't really get near the goals, didn't have much else to do so his distribution came under focus. Better than other games but still not great.

Brayford - 7 - Probably our best player, never gives up trying and thwarted a couple of chances they had to put the ball into danger from their left wing. Needs players with experience around him to really develop into his true potential. Intelligent player.

Roberts - 5 - Falls to ground far to easily for me, if the ball is 50/50 and he's against players bigger than him (majority of the time) he should stay upright instead of letting them break away whilst he tumbles on the floor. Standing upright gives him a chance to block their path.

Barker - 6 - Solid enough, dragged out of position on occasion leaving the defence exposed. Feel he had to deal with the center midfields inability to tackle.

Addison - 6 - Solid in defence, if a ball is high he will win it. If he comes away with the ball at his feet, he will lose it or bang it into touch whilst trying to loft a nice ball to the wings.

Green - 5 - I don't know why people rate him, i think he's probably one of the most frustrating players in out team. I don't know if it's because he is an international i expect more, but he's never impressed. Against Leicester he lost quite a few balls which allowed them to break forward and put us under pressure, soft passes that didn't make the target, half hearted leaps into a 50/50 header. First half, took an awful shot from 30 yards out when S.Davies was making an excellent forward run. Disappointing.

Savage - 6 - He at least played with passion, our only midfielder that antagonised the Leicester midfield and defence and sometimes with success. Shame only Davies was an option up top in first half, our wingers needed to be higher up.

Pearson - 5 - He was his usual self. Tried hard, did the simple stuff ok'ish. When it came to 50/50, lost every time. Now't special, as always lacking the confidence to make a choice.

Pringle - 4 - Awful game from him. I've been light on the lad since he joined, he's fresh meat. But his performance yesterday was his worst for us. Wimped out of making forward runs when on the ball or off, offered no support to Davies in the first half. When he had the option of two free players in the first half, both making excellent forward threatening runs, he put the ball in the middle of them both as if asking them to make the decision who should have it for him. Leicester thwarted what was a promising move. If he had the confidence to make a choice, he'd make a good player.

B.Davies - 6 - Did the simple stuff well enough, was under pressure quite often lacking support from Green. But the reasons why we bought him were his crossing skills and dead ball speciality. His crossing was woeful, but i think will improve over time when the nerves calm down and maybe needs a goal to help that. His freekick was going in, if it wasn't for the handball block, that is.

S.Davies - 7 - I give him the extra point for effort, determination and passion. Was absolutely stranded first half, and you could tell he was frustrated. Second half, he was always involved somewhere and if it wasn't for Leicester defending solidly, he would have scored. Looking forward to us settling down, and him scoring goals. This guy will only grow in confidence the more games he gets under his belt. Wherever he plays, we need him in on the field. Great to see some passion from a DCFC player.

subs.

Cywka - 7 - Played well, has a lot of strength for a small lad. Really battled against the bigger Leicester players and often kept the ball, he lacked the support from midfield though so his battles were wasted. Looked dangerous when attacking the defence. Had he played the whole game, might have been my man of the match. Him and Brayford need to play with experience.

Bueno - n/a - Didn't really have enough time to make an impact, keeps the ball well though but we already know that.

Ayala - n/a - He looks a big lad, but didn't really have a chance to make an impact.

Overall, first half the team lacked any will power and looked happy to soak up pressure. 4:5:1 looked awful. When we play that, we needed to be flexible going forward and making it 4:3:3. B.Davies got forward a couple of times but Pringle/Pearson clueless to their roles.

Second half, much better but again, when we are attacking the midfield don't seem to support the strikers early enough to make an instant impact. They turn up to late, allowing for the opposition defence to get into position. Davies was unlucky that the ref seemed to have a vendetta against him, but he troubled them as did Cywka with his pace and ability to keep the ball when challenged.

RE: Future games.

We've got a good run of fixtures coming up, this is where we can put this bad run to bed (finally) and relax our relegation fears. In the next 7 games, 6 of them we should be confident of a win. That second half team can do that.

[SillyBilly]

Bywater - 5 - Couldn't really get near the goals, didn't have much else to do so his distribution came under focus. Better than other games but still not great.

Brayford - 7 - Probably our best player, never gives up trying and thwarted a couple of chances they had to put the ball into danger from their left wing. Needs players with experience around him to really develop into his true potential. Intelligent player.

Roberts - 5 - Falls to ground far to easily for me, if the ball is 50/50 and he's against players bigger than him (majority of the time) he should stay upright instead of letting them break away whilst he tumbles on the floor. Standing upright gives him a chance to block their path.

Barker - 6 - Solid enough, dragged out of position on occasion leaving the defence exposed. Feel he had to deal with the center midfields inability to tackle.

Addison - 6 - Solid in defence, if a ball is high he will win it. If he comes away with the ball at his feet, he will lose it or bang it into touch whilst trying to loft a nice ball to the wings.

Green - 5 - I don't know why people rate him, i think he's probably one of the most frustrating players in out team. I don't know if it's because he is an international i expect more, but he's never impressed. Against Leicester he lost quite a few balls which allowed them to break forward and put us under pressure, soft passes that didn't make the target, half hearted leaps into a 50/50 header. First half, took an awful shot from 30 yards out when S.Davies was making an excellent forward run. Disappointing.

Savage - 6 - He at least played with passion, our only midfielder that antagonised the Leicester midfield and defence and sometimes with success. Shame only Davies was an option up top in first half, our wingers needed to be higher up.

Pearson - 5 - He was his usual self. Tried hard, did the simple stuff ok'ish. When it came to 50/50, lost every time. Now't special, as always lacking the confidence to make a choice.

Pringle - 4 - Awful game from him. I've been light on the lad since he joined, he's fresh meat. But his performance yesterday was his worst for us. Wimped out of making forward runs when on the ball or off, offered no support to Davies in the first half. When he had the option of two free players in the first half, both making excellent forward threatening runs, he put the ball in the middle of them both as if asking them to make the decision who should have it for him. Leicester thwarted what was a promising move. If he had the confidence to make a choice, he'd make a good player.

B.Davies - 6 - Did the simple stuff well enough, was under pressure quite often lacking support from Green. But the reasons why we bought him were his crossing skills and dead ball speciality. His crossing was woeful, but i think will improve over time when the nerves calm down and maybe needs a goal to help that. His freekick was going in, if it wasn't for the handball block, that is.

S.Davies - 7 - I give him the extra point for effort, determination and passion. Was absolutely stranded first half, and you could tell he was frustrated. Second half, he was always involved somewhere and if it wasn't for Leicester defending solidly, he would have scored. Looking forward to us settling down, and him scoring goals. This guy will only grow in confidence the more games he gets under his belt. Wherever he plays, we need him in on the field. Great to see some passion from a DCFC player.

subs.

Cywka - 7 - Played well, has a lot of strength for a small lad. Really battled against the bigger Leicester players and often kept the ball, he lacked the support from midfield though so his battles were wasted. Looked dangerous when attacking the defence. Had he played the whole game, might have been my man of the match. Him and Brayford need to play with experience.

Bueno - n/a - Didn't really have enough time to make an impact, keeps the ball well though but we already know that.

Ayala - n/a - He looks a big lad, but didn't really have a chance to make an impact.

Overall, first half the team lacked any will power and looked happy to soak up pressure. 4:5:1 looked awful. When we play that, we needed to be flexible going forward and making it 4:3:3. B.Davies got forward a couple of times but Pringle/Pearson clueless to their roles.

Second half, much better but again, when we are attacking the midfield don't seem to support the strikers early enough to make an instant impact. They turn up to late, allowing for the opposition defence to get into position. Davies was unlucky that the ref seemed to have a vendetta against him, but he troubled them as did Cywka with his pace and ability to keep the ball when challenged.

RE: Future games.

We've got a good run of fixtures coming up, this is where we can put this bad run to bed (finally) and relax our relegation fears. In the next 7 games, 6 of them we should be confident of a win. That second half team can do that.

The whole team collectively put in a 5/10 performance in my opinion. It would be lower (4) but I'm taking into account standard of opposition. We lost at home 2-0 to a team that didn't really look like they needed to find another gear or break a sweat, looked a very accomplished away performance from the Foxes. Hence reluctant to rate individually as can't really justify dishing 6's or 7's out imo.

[blackNwhites]

The whole team collectively put in a 5/10 performance in my opinion. It would be lower (4) but I'm taking into account standard of opposition. We lost at home 2-0 to a team that didn't really look like they needed to find another gear or break a sweat, looked a very accomplished away performance from the Foxes. Hence reluctant to rate individually as can't really justify dishing 6's or 7's out imo.

Yeah i know what you mean.

Mainly the marks are from the 2nd half as the first was atrocious. Also i allow for the fact we played Leicester who are a much better squad than us.

I wanted to mark Green, Pearson and Pringle lower. They were all terrible, i tried to be kind to Pearson because i don't expect much from him.

So marks are knowing what our players are like, rather than comparing them to where the likes of Leicester are.

We have a poor squad with potential that needs nurturing. If the board allow Clough to bring in 3-5 players with experience (particularly in the center of midfield and up front) we'll see a significant improvement. Brayford and Cywka will improve over time, Bailey (was he injured?) will have less pressure on him.

[Rampant Rob]

^^ Yes Bailey missed the game with a groin strain.

[trooper]

Bywater-6 nothing to do really.

Brayford- 7 probably our best player, nice to see him trying to get forward like earlier in the season.

Harry Roberts-4 usual rammell from him, crossing poor, beat to easily, poor in the air.

Barker-5 looks unfit to me, not the player he was last year!

Addison-5 worst game I've ever seen him have, just hoofed the ball whenever he had it, treated the ball like a hot potato

Davies b-6 not really seen much of his "decent" deadballs and nothing really to pass to

Savage-6 tried but unfortunately the opposition was better than him

Pringle-5 what does he bring to the team?

pearson-5 did he play?

Green-4 does not seem to care how he is a international I'll never know, overated

Davies s -7 worked tirelessly but had no support needs a helper

Subs.

Cywka-6 came on wanted the ball and wanted to run at people

Bueno.n/a why did he not start?

Ayala- y bring him on for a defender??

Overall- 4/5 poor performance- better 2nd half but the game was won do these players want to play under cough? Or even for derby.. Lowere league players giving lower league performances!

[The Ram]

Bywater 5

Brayford 6

Roberts 3

Barker 5

Addison 5

Davies 4

Savage 3

Pringle 3

Pearson 3

Green 4

Davies 4

Subs.

Cywka 6

Bueno 6

Ayala N/T

[Bris Vegas]

Bywater 5

Brayford 6

Roberts 3

Barker 5

Addison 5

Davies 4

Savage 3

Pringle 3

Pearson 3

Green 4

Davies 4

Subs.

Cywka 6

Bueno 6

Ayala N/T

Pretty much agree with that.. I'd mark Davies a tad higher as he didn't really have a poor game, he was strandard.. And I'd mark Addison lower, he didn't want the short passes off Bywater and told him to hoof it, hate players like that, get Leacock back at CB! At least he aint too bad with the ball at his feet.

[peakram]

I'd probably give Addison man of the match for us by default on the basis he didnt do too much wrong.

Brayford showed a bit more sparkle second half going forward (his strong suit) but was involved in mistakes for both goals (along with Barker).

The first goal, while brilliantly taken, came from a weak Barker headed clearance and then instead of clearing Brayford hooked it back to the edge of his own penalty area right where the danger lay (far worse an error than Cywka's last week it has to be said).

Then for some reason with the clock ticking down to half time Barker charged out towards the man on the ball at the same time as Brayford and they both left a man behind them completely free which led to the goal, very naive indeed.

Personally I wouldn't play Savage again, he brings little to the team nowadays, was awful against Forest at home and his headless chicken charges around the field when the opposition have the ball doesn't really achieve anything except gain brownie points perhaps with the management.

I'd prefer someone in there who can actually put their foot in and tackle and maybe even man mark the opposition's danger man (assuming he's a defensive midfielder).

Also the front pair Cywka and S Davies whilst showing some skill and endeavour often turned into trouble which might point to lack of support from the midfield or maybe lack of width, but they just overdid things a bit for me.

[Plan B]

Why is Pringle ****? He was better then most of them on the pitch today.

People on here may be useless but we don't complain about it. Pringle played good football and I think people on here are just being sour to much.

Pringle 6/10

Cywka 5/10

Everyone else 4/10

[WilkoRam]

I think Addison changed and started to hoof the ball due to a lack of options. I can't fault his defending but he needs a good midfielder in front him who can start the play. He had Savage, who rarely made space for himself to receive that ball and when he did 9 times out of 10 he'd knock it back to where it came or to the other CB.

Savage ran around but did little. Neither Green nor Pearson seemed able to control the ball or pick out anything other than a very basic pass. Can you think of a good through ball, or a ball that was good at all?

If anything I'd play Ayala/Leacock and Addison at the back an give Barker a break. he's out of form, any other CB would have been dropped.

I would have liked us to keep Martin so at least we had one winger who could take on a man.

[davenportram]

I think Addison changed and started to hoof the ball due to a lack of options. I can't fault his defending but he needs a good midfielder in front him who can start the play. He had Savage, who rarely made space for himself to receive that ball and when he did 9 times out of 10 he'd knock it back to where it came or to the other CB.

Savage ran around but did little. Neither Green nor Pearson seemed able to control the ball or pick out anything other than a very basic pass. Can you think of a good through ball, or a ball that was good at all?

If anything I'd play Ayala/Leacock and Addison at the back an give Barker a break. he's out of form, any other CB would have been dropped.

I would have liked us to keep Martin so at least we had one winger who could take on a man.

part of that comes down to movement ahead of them. If there us limited movement the there can be no killer through ball.

[WilkoRam]

True very true, just mentioned that on another thread. Our off the ball movement is very poor. Even during possession in our own half or an example that stuck in my head was in the first half Brayford was taking a throw and had no option, Savage was just standing still near the centre, didn't move an inch, didn't seem to want the ball.

Nobody really makes any runs, we're so static it's shocking.

[blackNwhites]

True very true, just mentioned that on another thread. Our off the ball movement is very poor. Even during possession in our own half or an example that stuck in my head was in the first half Brayford was taking a throw and had no option, Savage was just standing still near the centre, didn't move an inch, didn't seem to want the ball.

Nobody really makes any runs, we're so static it's shocking.

Just lacks some pace doesn't it, we've been crying out for it a while now. No movement, no options. As soon as we receive the ball the opposition close us down, our players seem to panic and lack confidence to take a man on. Probably why Cywka looked so bright early on.

Our biggest problem is the center of midfield, i don't think we have anyone who can make play in there. Maybe Bailey, but he needs someone to help out that will help his own development. Green and Savage aren't up to it. Green is a big disappointment for me, should really be performing better as an international.

[Gary Teale]

Why wasn't bailey involved was he injured or did Clough leave him out as he doesn't run around like a headless chicken and can pass to a team mate. Maybe he wasn't booting it in to the corners enough in training.

[Wilko]

Some harsh ratings for Pringle, he was our only creative outlet in the first half. Compare his performance to two of our "internationals", Green and Pearson.

Bywater - 6 - Distribution a bit better, couldn't do much for the goals.

Brayford - 7 - Man of the match. Finally got to see one of those brilliant runs, why has he not been doing that for the last few weeks?

Barker - 6 - Getting better, still doesn't look fit, which is worrying.

Addison - 7 - So solid, needs to work on the technical side of his game (which we know is there)

Roberts - 5 - Poor. If Clough really rates him as being better than Moxey, then we've got a seriousd problem.

Sav - 6 - Good game from Sav, spread it about and looked to get the tempo going, but with no movement going on ahead of him the effort was for nothing.

Green - 3 - Shocking. Didn't seem to know his position, and whenever he got the ball he either turned and played it backwards (whether he had a player ahead of him or not) or ran into trouble.

B. Davies - 5 - Not in the game. His set pieces weren't great, and when they were spot-on noone got on the end of them. He's come into a team short on confidence and he can't get any moves going as a result.

Pearson - 4 - Was he even on the pitch?

Pringle - 5.5 - Not in the game much, but the effort was there and he put in some decent crosses. Also had the balls to run at a full-back which noone else seemed to.

Subs:

Cywka - 6.5 - Can't believe he was left out, Clough needed to swallow his pride and put him on from the beginning

Ayala - Didn't see much of him

Bueno - Same as Ayala

[WilkoRam]

Steve Davies not get a rating mate?

Agree with most of that except Savage, thought he did nothing, gave the ball away easily and seemed intent on playing the ball back to the back 4. Also remember him giving the ball away with a soft ball to Roberts in 2nd half, could have been costly.

[Wilko]

Just lacks some pace doesn't it, we've been crying out for it a while now. No movement, no options. As soon as we receive the ball the opposition close us down, our players seem to panic and lack confidence to take a man on. Probably why Cywka looked so bright early on.

Agree with all that. Disagree with Clough that we need pace up front.

We need pace on the wing and in the final third, behind the striker.

[Wilko]

Steve Davies not get a rating mate?

Agree with most of that except Savage, thought he did nothing, gave the ball away easily and seemed intent on playing the ball back to the back 4. Also remember him giving the ball away with a soft ball to Roberts in 2nd half, could have been costly.

Won't let me edit so I'll pop it here, my bad!

S. Davies - 6 - Effort was there and he was unlucky not to score from Pringle's cross

[CG16]

Dirty Red here,

I honestly believe that you boys are only a few strikers and a bag of confidence short of being at a similar to where we are at currently. You've already shown that you have a nucleas of players who know how to play good football - you just need a new manager and a couple of lads who know where the net is.

Money is obviously short, but without trying to ruffle any feathers - I honestly believe a better manager would be able to make more of your current squad.

Anyway, all the best over the next few weeks - unfortunately there seems to be a trend over the last few years of clubs who don't deserve to be in L1 falling into the abyss. Get yourself a new manager and you'll be fine.

[Plan B]

Dirty Red here,

I honestly believe that you boys are only a few strikers and a bag of confidence short of being at a similar to where we are at currently. You've already shown that you have a nucleas of players who know how to play good football - you just need a new manager and a couple of lads who know where the net is.

Money is obviously short, but without trying to ruffle any feathers - I honestly believe a better manager would be able to make more of your current squad.

Anyway, all the best over the next few weeks - unfortunately there seems to be a trend over the last few years of clubs who don't deserve to be in L1 falling into the abyss. Get yourself a new manager and you'll be fine.

Apperciate the kindness and the fact tha you actually spoke normally and the way you addressed yourself lol. I'm afraid Cloughie is a ram and he aint goin no where. While your here you might as well tell me why Majewski is **** all of a sudden?