RotherhamRam Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Well done if this is the thoughts of the fans you have managed to achieve what the boards wanted. The board have been under increasing pressure. Clough is showing the pressure of wanting the best for this club but having nothing to work with. He knows he can do nothing to improve the side as the board are quite happy to leave Clough as the scape goat as if they do sack him the compensation will be cheap. The Board needs to be gone once Clough is backed and thigs still do not improve then you can say it Clough and I will be with you until then don't let them do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Are you saying "back Clough as his hands are tied" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotherhamRam Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 That is what I am saying. No manager with these contraints has succeeded. Avram Grant last year was in charge of Portsmouth with the same support in respect of no financial or board support. They got relegated the fans did not want him to go. They stuck loyal to him and continued the fight with the board and still doing so now. Cotterill is not an experienced manager 4points above relegation with players who are still prem quality at the club. Do they jump on his back no they protest against the board and only the board. Once the board has either invested or gone only then can we judge Clough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footymadme Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 well said That is what I am saying. No manager with these contraints has succeeded. Avram Grant last year was in charge of Portsmouth with the same support in respect of no financial or board support. They got relegated the fans did not want him to go. They stuck loyal to him and continued the fight with the board and still doing so now. Cotterill is not an experienced manager 4points above relegation with players who are still prem quality at the club. Do they jump on his back no they protest against the board and only the board. Once the board has either invested or gone only then can we judge Clough. RotherhamRam .... and so so true. everybody needs to give him the backing he deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 That is what I am saying. No manager with these contraints has succeeded. Avram Grant last year was in charge of Portsmouth with the same support in respect of no financial or board support. They got relegated the fans did not want him to go. They stuck loyal to him and continued the fight with the board and still doing so now. Cotterill is not an experienced manager 4points above relegation with players who are still prem quality at the club. Do they jump on his back no they protest against the board and only the board. Once the board has either invested or gone only then can we judge Clough. Playing Devils advocate, Cotterill's been there 5 mins, Clough been here longer and bought in a few players. The main argument with the "Clough Out!" campaign, which I'm no part of, is that other managers would have been sacked by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyBilly Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I'm with you all the way mate, there will be no such protestations against Clough from me intill he's had what I deem to be a fair crack at the whip. Having said this I'm not going to say he hasn't made mistakes because in my opinion he has and some pretty basic ones. I think it would be foolish to completely overhaul the club from owners to manager, need some stabililty. As long as these discussions of where the manager has gone wrong or the players stay on here and don't bring themselves into the ground I don't see the problem. This is our medium. I wil be concerned if people start turning on Clough and the players because I think that's the last thing we need at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 The Pompey fans booed during the game. Who were they booing? The Derby fans chanted after we conceded our second, who were they chanting about? The only "Clough" out stuff is on the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyBilly Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Don't know how much you follow other forums Boycie but the reaction to his Cwyka comments seemed most muted on here and they weren't exactly subtle to be fair. No idea if people will follow up on their words but I've read several posts where people are making banners "Nige out, GSE out" and I think it's the last thing we need at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonwright Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 For many of us, the anger was only about what he said about Cwyka. I don't want to see Clough go, I don't want to see him or the players booed, I blame the board for lack of investment. None of that was changed by the unfortunate post-match interview. But what he said was wrong and we're entitled to call him out on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyBilly Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I agree Von. Some will take it to the extremes though. Defend the indefensible or call for his head with immediate effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggg Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 quantum leap......forest sign Nigel....back him and he turns out to be a chip of the old block......we would look a bunch of $%££&*** then:frown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Well there is one thing for certain. The pressure is certainly off the players, noone cares any more if they are *****- it's all Clough and the Board. Got yo say the atmosphere against Ipswich was the most supportive if the players it's been for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 The less people the better the atmosphere at PP. It might be quieter. Might. But it's far more positive. I like it when the moaners show their displeasure by staying away. Means a much more relaxed team. Anyone taking a Clough Out banner who sits near me will be getting a poke in the eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 quantum leap......forest sign Nigel....back him and he turns out to be a chip of the old block......we would look a bunch of $%££&*** then:frown: It'll happen. The way things are heading. We sack Clough or he leaves. Billy goes to Rangers in 2 years time. Forest bring in another manager. Fails. Turn to Nigel. And he win some League Cups and gets them an established PL side. Can feel it in me waters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentRam Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 For many of us, the anger was only about what he said about Cwyka. I don't want to see Clough go, I don't want to see him or the players booed, I blame the board for lack of investment. None of that was changed by the unfortunate post-match interview. But what he said was wrong and we're entitled to call him out on it. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stimacked Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Clough is under massive massive pressure. He lives for the club. Its in his blood. People just want somebody to blame and he makes a mistake, with an off the cuff remark after yet another dissapointing display from his team and people all jump on the bandwagon. Yes it was a mistake. Yes he is stubborn. Yes I think he was unreasonable to slate Cwyka. He is a bloke with one of the most difficult jobs in the game. He has had the guts to take on the challenge of sorting out the mess Jewell left us and with no budget. He has done a remarkable job in reducing the wage bill. He has been consistently denied a means to put together a team which we can be proud of. When it was going well, he should have been backed to strengthen and keep the players we had for longer. He was not allowed this and the team floundered. Clough takes home the strain of the club every weekend. He is only human. Jewell cracked under the same pressure and he had a budget to add players unlike Clough. Just like Jewell, when results have gone to pot, he suffered and it must of effected him mentally. He blasted the players after defeats. So, Clough has gone into one after we gave away a crucial crucial goal in the dying seconds of a game. He needed that not to have happened. It did. Cwyka messed up. Clough was furious. Clough messed up. He put out a team with no funding from the board that very nearly pulled off a good result at Pompey. Yet again he has been punched where it hurts. Without question, the board needs to fund Clough with to alow him to put a side together again which can pull us out of this rut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggg Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 well put stimacked.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuffolkRam Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 For many of us, the anger was only about what he said about Cwyka. I don't want to see Clough go, I don't want to see him or the players booed, I blame the board for lack of investment. None of that was changed by the unfortunate post-match interview. But what he said was wrong and we're entitled to call him out on it. Well put, couldnt agree more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dambuster Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Playing Devils advocate, Cotterill's been there 5 mins, Clough been here longer and bought in a few players. The main argument with the "Clough Out!" campaign, which I'm no part of, is that other managers would have been sacked by now. And of course the 'sacked by now' scenario is based on the ridiculous managerial turnround timescale now generated as part of the modern game. If we are considering this as the benchmark then the game truly has gone crazy. Looking at the decisions on Hodgson, Hughton & Matteo no wonder it stirs up the 'we didn't win today sack the manager brigade'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyBilly Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Clough is under massive massive pressure. He lives for the club. Its in his blood. People just want somebody to blame and he makes a mistake, with an off the cuff remark after yet another dissapointing display from his team and people all jump on the bandwagon. Yes it was a mistake. Yes he is stubborn. Yes I think he was unreasonable to slate Cwyka. He is a bloke with one of the most difficult jobs in the game. He has had the guts to take on the challenge of sorting out the mess Jewell left us and with no budget. He has done a remarkable job in reducing the wage bill. He has been consistently denied a means to put together a team which we can be proud of. When it was going well, he should have been backed to strengthen and keep the players we had for longer. He was not allowed this and the team floundered. Clough takes home the strain of the club every weekend. He is only human. Jewell cracked under the same pressure and he had a budget to add players unlike Clough. Just like Jewell, when results have gone to pot, he suffered and it must of effected him mentally. He blasted the players after defeats. So, Clough has gone into one after we gave away a crucial crucial goal in the dying seconds of a game. He needed that not to have happened. It did. Cwyka messed up. Clough was furious. Clough messed up. He put out a team with no funding from the board that very nearly pulled off a good result at Pompey. Yet again he has been punched where it hurts. Without question, the board needs to fund Clough with to alow him to put a side together again which can pull us out of this rut. Great post chap. I like to think he cares more than any other manager we've had here in a long while and his desperation for the job to come good perhaps works against him at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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