Littleover R Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Just read the article by Glick about why commons left and that they offered what the player wanted two weeks ago. So it took two and a half months to get to that point hardly makes you feel wanted now would it. Negotiations started around the time of our dip in form. Perhaps IF they had agreed to his demands earlier we would still have the player and perhaps this would of brought unity and harmony to the team thuss better results. It would also of sent a positive message to other clubs and players that we are an ambitious club that can keep it's best players and also hopefully attract better players. Look at Leeds with Beccio they never messed around. Yanks out. Ps plenty of Red Indian Headgear for guys and gals on that famous Internet auction site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I notice how you call it "Glick Spin", did you not read the Nigel interview? he said pretty much the same thing that Derby could not of done anymore to keep Commons at this club. So is this Glick and Clough spin or is it just more ranting at GSE for the sake of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Its Glick /Clough and they have fortgotton we have lost 8 of the last 10 and gone out the cups to Crawley and Crewe havnt they. I don't think they have, and I'm unsure what your point is with that. I was only pointing out it's funny how it's always "Glick Spin" despite the fact Nigel has also came out and said pretty much the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I don't see that the club have done anything wrong in the Commons sale. I don't blame Commons for going either, if we hadn't hit this bad run I think he may have stayed but we don't appear to be in a position to move out of this league any time soon so why not go to a bigger club like Celtic. Only thing I don't like is the sour grapes from Nigel and the childish comments now he's gone. Quoting lack of form, lack of games since he's been here, etc. not long ago he said it would cost £2-£3m to replace and also the board offered him everything he wanted to make him stay so couldn't have been that bad could he Nigel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Sorry im trying to point out that Glick/Clough are spinning without mentioning how carp we are at the moment and that upsets me. When the statements have been released due to Commons leaving why would they be talking about our latest form? They are simply telling the fans what they have done over the last couple of months to keep Commons here, yet once again it's all "spin" apparently. If they came out and said we've been crap and lost our 3 last games it would be called "spin", why bother reading or listening to what they have to say if it's your just going to say "Glick spin" to everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 If you listen to the interviews on RamsPlayer they are both angered and frustrated by the whole saga. The money is available from the fee and KCs wages. If we don't buy it us down to Clough and nit the board, but if we don't buy I guarantee there will be threads galore about the board not making the money available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby Loyal Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 If you listen to the interviews on RamsPlayer they are both angered and frustrated by the whole saga. The money is available from the fee and KCs wages. If we don't buy it us down to Clough and nit the board, but if we don't buy I guarantee there will be threads galore about the board not making the money available. How do you know the money is available from the fee and KC's wages, he was probably on 10k a week, are you suggesting the board would let Clough spend 300k fee and give someone 10k a week to replace Kris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcdavecov Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 How do you know the money is available from the fee and KC's wages, he was probably on 10k a week, are you suggesting the board would let Clough spend 300k fee and give someone 10k a week to replace Kris? That's what he said. Think it will be that lad from Kilmarnock (not saying we'll give him 10k a week). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby Loyal Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Fair enough, Think Clough's on a bit of a hiding to nothing. He gets criticised for the players he brings in not being good enough but every comment i made in hindsight. If you want a goal scorer in the championship and you've only got say £500k to spend, you are taking a gamble. I'd be happy with Connor Sammon coming in, think we just need another 2-3 players that can come straight into the team to freshen it up, so if we get Ayala as well we're pretty much there. A good result on Tuesday could turn things around and put us back on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 How do you know the money is available from the fee and KC's wages, he was probably on 10k a week, are you suggesting the board would let Clough spend 300k fee and give someone 10k a week to replace Kris? Thats what Glick said in his interview. The little statements on the web only tell half the story. Listenb and watch b ody language and voice tone you can get a lot more. 90% of communication is visual (or somehting like that). Glick sounded sicnere. He was angry yet calm and obviuosly pissed off. He said finances were available form the fee and wages for reinvestment - as he said in the statement, immediately or whnever the manager wants to. Not saying we will spend 300k and give a player 10k in wages. But the wages will have been budgeted over 3 and half years. Transfer fees are not all paid up front so wages could be used to fund installments in the future. Also there is part of the wages saved from now until the end of the season that could be used to top up the 300k fee to be used up front, with the rest going on a new players wage. (5k a week between now and June is another 100k, and leaves 5k a week for an incoming player, if you accept the rumoured 10k a week wages Commons was on) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteDerby Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I don't think (for once) this is Glickspin either. They probably should have sat straight down and got to the figure they ended up with right away, but I have thought since the summer that Commons' past behaviour is the best indicator of what he'd do at the end of this contract; and so it has proven to be. He's gone - shame - but all I care about is what happens next? Key players, whether in business or sport, move on from time to time, so the business or club need to manage that. This is the role of senior management. If having a play maker is key to the club's ambitions (which surely it is?), then they have to buy another one. If they don't, then their stated ambitions aren't realistic. Frightening and bizarre as it might sound to some, relegation might just be what Derby County needs. Lower fans' expectations, get some form going against teams with similar squads, gain some momentum and move ahead. Let's see how we get on in the loan market.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I found myself agreeing with you Pete up until the relegation part. I think that would be a disaster. We got relegated from the Prem and many fans expectations have now been reduced, some simply happy that we exist now. We are currently dropping our wage bill to a low level in order that we're not losing money, should we go down this would be worse and we would again be cutting the bill. Expect loans this window to keep us in the division, where we go then will be interesting. We needed strengthening prior to Commons leaving, now even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramekin Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I don't think (for once) this is Glickspin either. They probably should have sat straight down and got to the figure they ended up with right away, but I have thought since the summer that Commons' past behaviour is the best indicator of what he'd do at the end of this contract; and so it has proven to be. He's gone - shame - but all I care about is what happens next? Key players, whether in business or sport, move on from time to time, so the business or club need to manage that. This is the role of senior management. If having a play maker is key to the club's ambitions (which surely it is?), then they have to buy another one. If they don't, then their stated ambitions aren't realistic. Frightening and bizarre as it might sound to some, relegation might just be what Derby County needs. Lower fans' expectations, get some form going against teams with similar squads, gain some momentum and move ahead. Let's see how we get on in the loan market.... Absolutely! Commons best form and attitude came this season when he had to prove something in order to get a new contract. It will be really interesting to see how he's doing at Celtic in 6 months time when the novelty's worn off for him and he can look forward to 3 years @ £1m a year. I'll still miss him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I listened to Nigel being interview on RD last night and the more I hear from him, the less I want to hear from him. Until I hear Commons side of what went on, it's difficult to pass judgement on why he didn't stay - if NC and TG are to be believed then Derby did nothing wrong here, but did Nigel really have to slag him off? It sounded childish and unprofessional. Re Sammon, he gave the impression he has essentially given up the chase and accepted that someone will sign him before we do - doesn't look like any move will be made before the summer, by which time he said he thought someone else might take a gamble on him. The Waghorn situation is boring and never going to happen at this rate - Derby don't seem ever to take a situation in hand and force a resolution, it's always waiting for this, looking at that, lodging and interest, on the radar etc etc. Clough said Sven had been away a lot - so what? If you want Waghorn, talk to Sven on the mobile, deal with the CEO, try and get a deal done and if there isn't one to be done, move on. Instead it's "wait and see", "hoping something might happen" etc. Davies is a good signing, losing Commons a blow but predictable - but as things stand we are weaker going out of this window than entering it. Again. Let's hope the next couple of days we can strengthen a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyram Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I don't really need or want to hear Commons' side of it Vulcan - in this case his actions have spoken louder than words. He ummed and aahed about his contract, his wants were matched by the club, with another year on top to boot and he still said no, so really, I don't think he ever really wanted to stay and he's proved it by going. The body language and opinions given by Glick & Clough were an obvious sign of their frustration and it showed how they basically bent over backwards to try and keep him. If it was sour grapes on Clough's part, he's only showing how disappointed he is with it all and I think he's entitled to a bit of a moan like we all are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh dragon Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I don't really need or want to hear Commons' side of it Vulcan - in this case his actions have spoken louder than words. He ummed and aahed about his contract, his wants were matched by the club, with another year on top to boot and he still said no, so really, I don't think he ever really wanted to stay and he's proved it by going. The body language and opinions given by Glick & Clough were an obvious sign of their frustration and it showed how they basically bent over backwards to try and keep him. If it was sour grapes on Clough's part, he's only showing how disappointed he is with it all and I think he's entitled to a bit of a moan like we all are. we should have give him a new contract well before this transfer window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcdavecov Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 we should have give him a new contract well before this transfer window Yeah, with his great injury record. Imagine what people would have moaned if we had. He never plays, waste of money Glicks just trying to sell season tickets etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inglorious01 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I don't know how anything he has said on this is spin? Some people are predisposed to not believe a thing Glick says before he has even said anything. He has simply presented the facts. Commons is to blame him, not Glick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rigamortis Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I don't really need or want to hear Commons' side of it Vulcan - in this case his actions have spoken louder than words. He ummed and aahed about his contract, his wants were matched by the club, with another year on top to boot and he still said no, so really, I don't think he ever really wanted to stay and he's proved it by going. The body language and opinions given by Glick & Clough were an obvious sign of their frustration and it showed how they basically bent over backwards to try and keep him. If it was sour grapes on Clough's part, he's only showing how disappointed he is with it all and I think he's entitled to a bit of a moan like we all are. Agree with LadyRam completely. Both interviews seemed honest. If their side of it is the truth then I can see why they were both so disappointed and even more than a little bit angry. It changes things as well because up until now I was thinking maybe we'd fell short of what he'd asked for - if that was the case then he's entitled to leave. Kris did not exactly cover himself in glory in my opinion. It seems he was offered what he asked for plus an extra year and yet still left, after watching many of his interviews over the last 5 months or so, he had me convinced he was up for it, he had me convinced he was staying and he was just frustrated it was taking some time, he loved the club, he loved the area, he loved the fans. He was playing the best football of his career with the "best set of lads" he's ever played with. I can't see how you can say all of that and then leave when you get what you asked for. Well played board and NC. Unfortunately we are now woefully short of real attacking options and need someone in, ideally before tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcdavecov Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Aye, the only person i would accuse of "spinning" things, is that boy Commons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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