Louie Barry

[eddielewis]

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/derby-county-join-middlesbrough-sheffield-wednesday-in-january-race-aston-villa-louie-barry-stockport-county/

Alan Nixon has us linked to Louie Barry.

The report suggests we could offer the best terms with playing time compared Boro and Wed but would Barry want to play for us in our system unless you played him in a 2 alongside Yates. I'd love for us to get him but unless you actually play a more technical, intricate style of play he's just going to get starved of the ball. 

 

[Eoghan1884]

15 minutes ago, eddielewis said:

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/derby-county-join-middlesbrough-sheffield-wednesday-in-january-race-aston-villa-louie-barry-stockport-county/

Alan Nixon has us linked to Louie Barry.

The report suggests we could offer the best terms with playing time compared Boro and Wed but would Barry want to play for us in our system unless you played him in a 2 alongside Yates. I'd love for us to get him but unless you actually play a more technical, intricate style of play he's just going to get starved of the ball. 

 

He’s very effective on the left of a front three or up front in two, he would come in as our best winger by a long while. I wonder if we will send back Chirewa he’s been fit for weeks and not got in the squad. @SECornerRAM lie to us and say this is true, we need some positivity 

[dajstrawb]

Well this would just be lovely 

[Jimbo Ram]

Lazy journalism would be my guess.

[hintonsboots]

Good signing but might end up CBT’d.

[DCFC Kicks]

Why would any player like this want to join us? Look at how we play. Look at what's happened to similar players who've joined us.

[Boycie]

31 minutes ago, DCFC Kicks said:

Why would any player like this want to join us? Look at how we play. Look at what's happened to similar players who've joined us.

Mason mount, harry whosit and the lad Tomori you mean? 
We ruined them didn’t we?

[jimbobram]

16 hours ago, Boycie said:

Mason mount, harry whosit and the lad Tomori you mean? 
We ruined them didn’t we?

i dont think they mean those from 2019. do you ?

[Caerphilly Ram]

17 hours ago, DCFC Kicks said:

Why would any player like this want to join us? Look at how we play. Look at what's happened to similar players who've joined us.

To continue his development at a championship club. One that can probably guarantee starts, with good training facilities and large crowds to further aid in the player’s development. 

You might not rate Paul Warne, but other football clubs have still seen it as a viable option to loan us their players (Nat Phillips, David Ozoh, Tawanda Chirewa, Tyrese John-Jules, Alfie White etc)  be that due to the facilities, the finances, or the management.

Therefore it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that we could loan him, whether or not we will is the unknown.

Edited December 9, 2024 by Caerphilly Ram

[Ambitious]

Barry is a very talented player, no doubt. He's probably one of the most talented players to ever play in the third division. He's played in 20 games this season, scored 15 goals. He's actually scored in double the amount of games than he hasn't - 14 to 7. 

The Championship is a very different ball-game but suspect that he would be able to have a really good impact at this level. I just worry that he's not a creative influence on the team, ultimately that's what we lack more. 

 

[Boycie]

I remember when we got a young Lord Bamford from MK Dons was it? Tore it up in league one, hardly played when he came to Derby.

[SECornerRAM]

On 08/12/2024 at 11:14, Eoghan1884 said:

He’s very effective on the left of a front three or up front in two, he would come in as our best winger by a long while. I wonder if we will send back Chirewa he’s been fit for weeks and not got in the squad. @SECornerRAM lie to us and say this is true, we need some positivity 

There is truth and there have been early talks 

Plenty of clubs in for him but Villa need him to play 

 

Far from done 

[SECornerRAM]

2 hours ago, Boycie said:

I remember when we got a young Lord Bamford from MK Dons was it? Tore it up in league one, hardly played when he came to Derby.

23 games in 2nd half of the season 

8 goals - some corkers there too 

[DCFC Kicks]

5 hours ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

To continue his development at a championship club. One that can probably guarantee starts, with good training facilities and large crowds to further aid in the player’s development. 

You might not rate Paul Warne, but other football clubs have still seen it as a viable option to loan us their players (Nat Phillips, David Ozoh, Tawanda Chirewa, Tyrese John-Jules, Alfie White etc)  be that due to the facilities, the finances, or the management.

Therefore it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that we could loan him, whether or not we will is the unknown.

He's a small technical player. What is he going to learn from playing constant hoof-ball and crossing? Name one player Warne has actually improved technically. If anything he's made them all worse.

What use is the facilities to how Warne plays anyway apart from the gyms? 

I could understand a big physical CB or midfielder (Phillips and Ozoh) developing certain aspects under Warne. Chirewa, TJJ and White barley played. Look what's happened to CBT.

[Caerphilly Ram]

8 minutes ago, DCFC Kicks said:

He's a small technical player. What is he going to learn from playing constant hoof-ball and crossing? Name one player Warne has actually improved technically. If anything he's made them all worse.

What use is the facilities to how Warne plays anyway apart from the gyms? 

I could understand a big physical CB or midfielder (Phillips and Ozoh) developing certain aspects under Warne. Chirewa, TJJ and White barely played. Look what's happened to CBT.

You asked why a player like Louie Barry would want to join us, I gave my thoughts. I’m not going round and round in another circular argument. It’ll be up to the player, Villa and Derby’s hierarchy as to whether he comes here or not and they’ll have their reasons one way or another.

It is possible for us to have discussions on here without everything turning into an argument about Warne. Our most recently consistent ITK’er says there’s some truth to it so that’s something positive I’m going to focus on. I like the idea that we might be looking at and exploring ways to strengthen the squad. If he joins great, if not ah well.

 

[Ghost of Clough]

4 hours ago, Ambitious said:

Barry is a very talented player, no doubt. He's probably one of the most talented players to ever play in the third division. He's played in 20 games this season, scored 15 goals. He's actually scored in double the amount of games than he hasn't - 14 to 7. 

The Championship is a very different ball-game but suspect that he would be able to have a really good impact at this level. I just worry that he's not a creative influence on the team, ultimately that's what we lack more. 

 

Whilst we need players who can create chances for others, I also suppose it comes down to whether Barry is creating his own chances or not.

Given he's scored 10 from an open play xG of 4.87, I reckon he's scoring Lawrence/Wilson type goals.

Even so, he also has the 3rd highest open play xA in League 1 (despite only 1 actual assist), so he's still creating good chances for others players.

He ticks a lot of boxes. The main concern from me (in a Warne team) is defensive work rate. Given the defensive contribution from other Stockport forwards, it could just be the tactical instructions.

[YorkshireRam]

15 hours ago, DCFC Kicks said:

Name one player Warne has actually improved technically. If anything he's made them all worse.

Think there's a few cases to be made:

• Cashin, who can now play on the left side of a 3 thanks to Warne?
• McGoldrick had his most prolific goal-scoring season ever under Warne.
• Wildsmith went from being 2nd choice, to L1 golden glove under Warne, to now back to 2nd choice somewhere else.
• Bird transitioning into a more attacking role, and having his most productive season to date last year.

 

 

 

[Jimbo Ram]

26 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said:

Think there's a few cases to be made:

• Cashin, who can now play on the left side of a 3 thanks to Warne?
• McGoldrick had his most prolific goal-scoring season ever under Warne.
• Wildsmith went from being 2nd choice, to L1 golden glove under Warne, to now back to 2nd choice somewhere else.
• Bird transitioning into a more attacking role, and having his most productive season to date last year.

 

 

 

Not so sure on some of those. Bird had a great season under Rooney, not sure he can take that much credit for Cashin’s development either.

[Caerphilly Ram]

47 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said:

Think there's a few cases to be made:

• Cashin, who can now play on the left side of a 3 thanks to Warne?
• McGoldrick had his most prolific goal-scoring season ever under Warne.
• Wildsmith went from being 2nd choice, to L1 golden glove under Warne, to now back to 2nd choice somewhere else.
• Bird transitioning into a more attacking role, and having his most productive season to date last year.

 

 

 

Bird is the best (and maybe only true) example. Partly because he himself has said on record about the coaching work Warne did with him to help improve his goal threat (or words to that effect) and the evidence of that was there to see last season.

Older pros like McGoldrick and NML I don’t think we can credit Warne with coaching their technical skills but he absolutely deserves more credit than some will give him for managing their workload, improving their fitness, and setting up the side to allow them to flourish.

Warne/his staff’s ability to repurpose Knight, Sibley, Smith into not just emergency but competent fullback/wingback options is overlooked by some. Ultimately it may have led to Sibley moving on, but taking the emotion out of that and looking objectively, did they coach him to perform that role in a disciplined and effective manner whilst improving the rash defensive side to his game many commented on in the past? For me the answer is a clear yes.

This argument of “he doesn’t improve players technically” is a valid opinion for people to have generally, but it’s often dressed up in bias by certain posters and also isn’t something Warne professes to do. It again comes down to this one eyed stance some people can take. Senior pros like McGoldrick, Hourihane and Davies have all been in the media talking up Warne’s man management and the culture he creates, I find that important to the success of a side as much as technical coaching. No point having the best technical coach in the world if the environment stinks (Paul Clement anyone?) or they don’t have that character (Cocu?)

The ideal would be finding a blend of both, whether that’s wrapped up in the package of a new manager as some want or perhaps more sensibly for me bringing in another coach alongside Warne to help that side of things.
There has to be balance between the environment the players work in AND the technical development of youth, I think that can be the case under Warne with continued patience and progress, he intimated as much himself when saying in an interview recently about bringing another coach in. 
Anyway…I hope we get Barry or A.N.Other threat to our attacking options in Jan.

[Malagaram]

David Clowes and Paul Warner should invite Unai Emery and a few of AV Directors to Pride Park to see the excellent facilities of Moor Farm we can offer to players like Louie Barry to enable them to further their careers,and also to experience the thrills of playing in front of 25,000 plus noisy spectators on a matchday,if it hasnt already been organised.