Resale Value

[DCFC1388]

I see alot of people mention about resale value when it comes to signings but what actually is it? Does it only apply to players you spend money on, or players in their mid 20s? 

When I look at our squad, considering most of them joined on a free I would say most have a resale value on them. If we sold Barkhuizen, Bradley or Washington tomorrow for 300k as an example, that would be a profit vs what we paid so is that resale value?

If resale value is actually us making a profit, then there is actually more chance of it by getting free's in rather than spending mkloney, unless you unearth a foreign gem like we hopefully have in Goudmijn

[deanoakaram4life]

Resale value has something we have neglected unfortunately. 
 

We banked on going up with established players touching 30. And a manger who is reluctant to play any youth players. I look at teams like Sunderland who have recently been in league 1 and they have a team full of youth and energy.

 

We have recruited for the short term, which is what we had to do x2 seasons ago, but I hoped that we would seem some sort of youth being injected into the team, wether it be Brown and Robinson from the academy, or wether it be investing in players like Joe Taylor from Luton, who have the potential to double in value. 

[DCFC1388]

1 hour ago, deanoakaram4life said:

Resale value has something we have neglected unfortunately. 
 

We banked on going up with established players touching 30. And a manger who is reluctant to play any youth players. I look at teams like Sunderland who have recently been in league 1 and they have a team full of youth and energy.

 

We have recruited for the short term, which is what we had to do x2 seasons ago, but I hoped that we would seem some sort of youth being injected into the team, wether it be Brown and Robinson from the academy, or wether it be investing in players like Joe Taylor from Luton, who have the potential to double in value. 

You havent answered my question really on what resale value actually is. You say we neglected it but if we sold any of the signings we made on frees they would have technically had resale value? 

NML, Elder, Nelson, Osborn, Barkhuizen, Collins, Vickers, Jackson, Washington, Nyambe, Bradley, Ward, Wilson - if we sold any of them (even if it was a small fee like 100k) then technically they have had a resale value

[Shipley Ram]

There always seems to be somehting missing with peoples analysis of this. Yes young players may have a potential resale value, but only if they perform well. They will have the best resale value if they are brought into a team performing well and able to show off their ability.

Edit It also helps if they aren't off pitch k******** who have the ability but don't want to work at it, and if don't pick up double cruciate injuries.

Edited August 11 by Shipley Ram

[Crewton]

2 hours ago, deanoakaram4life said:

Resale value has something we have neglected unfortunately. 
 

We banked on going up with established players touching 30. And a manger who is reluctant to play any youth players. I look at teams like Sunderland who have recently been in league 1 and they have a team full of youth and energy.

 

We have recruited for the short term, which is what we had to do x2 seasons ago, but I hoped that we would seem some sort of youth being injected into the team, wether it be Brown and Robinson from the academy, or wether it be investing in players like Joe Taylor from Luton, who have the potential to double in value. 

When did Sunderland go into administration?

Comparing us with such teams who haven't been under EFL restrictions for the last few years is pointless.

[Jimbo Ram]

3 hours ago, DCFC1388 said:

I see alot of people mention about resale value when it comes to signings but what actually is it? Does it only apply to players you spend money on, or players in their mid 20s? 

When I look at our squad, considering most of them joined on a free I would say most have a resale value on them. If we sold Barkhuizen, Bradley or Washington tomorrow for 300k as an example, that would be a profit vs what we paid so is that resale value?

If resale value is actually us making a profit, then there is actually more chance of it by getting free's in rather than spending mkloney, unless you unearth a foreign gem like we hopefully have in Goudmijn

It’s very important 😊

[Ghost of Clough]

3 hours ago, DCFC1388 said:

I see alot of people mention about resale value when it comes to signings but what actually is it? Does it only apply to players you spend money on, or players in their mid 20s? 

When I look at our squad, considering most of them joined on a free I would say most have a resale value on them. If we sold Barkhuizen, Bradley or Washington tomorrow for 300k as an example, that would be a profit vs what we paid so is that resale value?

If resale value is actually us making a profit, then there is actually more chance of it by getting free's in rather than spending mkloney, unless you unearth a foreign gem like we hopefully have in Goudmijn

Resale value is referring to making a profit. If you make a profit, you can then invest more in to the playing squad to improve our chances of finishing higher in the table (and promotion).

You'd struggle to get £1 from Barkhuizen, Bradley and Washington.

[cstand]

If you get a player on a free transfer you have a chance of a profit.

Paying over the odds you no chance of a profit.

The market valve of any player is decided by the buyer/buyers not the seller.

[Ambitious]

4 minutes ago, cstand said:

If you get a player on a free transfer you have a chance of a profit.

Paying over the odds you no chance of a profit.

The market valve of any player is decided by the buyer/buyers not the seller.

If you sign a player on a free with genuine resale value, usually that player has a fairly healthy market and the player gets the benefit. 

Resale value is important because it’s what helped Coventry become a very good Championship team. The profile of player we’re signing doesn’t give us much hope of resale, which was fine in League One with a short-term goal but I’d be lying if I said this is how I thought we would approach our ‘rebuild’ following restrictions. It makes me think that instead of paying one of the highest historic wage bills in League One wasn’t the best approach. 

[Bris Vegas]

Resale value is buying players, improving players, selling for profit.

It’s rarely going to apply to the likes of NML because I can’t see anybody who would pay a fee for him.

There are experienced players you sign for free who plug gaps in the team/squad.

But you’re foolish if you actually spend decent money in them in terms of a fee. It’s incredibly short-sighted.

Coventry have done it right. Even Bristol City have a pretty decent record of making profit on their signings.

Derby under Mel Morris was probably among the top 5 worst in the country at squandering huge amounts on players with little re-sale, along with Man Utd and Everton.

Thing is, people say it’s a gamble to buy younger players. But at least in most cases if they don’t work out, you can still sell them for a fee.

It’s a far bigger gamble overspending on ageing, perceived proven players who then go on to underperform, not reach expected level and gradually get worse.

The list under Morris was endless, compounded under Rowett and Lampard. 

[Millenniumram]

For me, when we talk about players with “resale value”, it should mean spending decent sized fees on younger players who you hope to profit on in the future when they rise to a level above where you currently are.

Whilst technically you can make a profit on older players you sign on a free as well, I don’t think that’s quite the same thing - and is unlikely to yield significant profits anyway.

For the first two years of Clowes reign, we were forced by our embargo into only signing older players on frees or loaning younger players - so resale value really wasn’t a thing. But when you’re free to do what you want in the market, like we are now, I think it’s really important.

You can’t hope to run a football club sustainably and progress up the pyramid without make big profits on some transfers. We saw it under Mel - if you spend shedloads of money on older players, there’s only really two outcomes. You get promoted and money doesn’t matter anymore, or you don’t and end up in ruins (as we did).

You have GOT to spend money to compete in football, it’s as simple as that. And unless your owner is willing to bankroll the club forever (which ours isn’t, and FFP restricts anyway) then that money has to come from player sales. And there’s only really two routes you get players that are worth significant fees which you can reinvest into progressing your squad - from academy players, or players with resale value.

On the former, we have a category one academy and we’ve invested a lot since Clowes took over in rebuilding the ruins left by Quantuma - including bringing in pretty much a whole new group of staff with fresh ideas, after some stagnation and poor decisions under Wassall. I really think Clowes has done everything he can here and I applaud him for it. However, it’ll all count for nothing if the manager isn’t willing to give these players a chance. Of course, the development of a new generation takes time so it’s harsh to be too critical of Warne at the moment - but his treatment of our brightest talent in Dajaune Brown so far leaves me concerned about his desire to bring players though the academy.

Players with resale value… I do believe we need to be braver and do more with. To be fair, we have shown signs this window of looking abroad for players who we could make profits on in future - Goudmijn and Zetterstrom I think we could make a decent amount on. But I’m not sure we’ve gone far enough. The rest of our business has remained quite short termist, with more ageing players like Jackson and Osborn, and relying on loans.

Clowes promised a competitive budget, and I’m not sure we’ve seen it. From what I can see, we’ve been operating on a bottom three budget - which you can only really expect to end one way. It worries me that we talk about our only remaining business being loans - I know we’ve been scolded before, but we really do need to spend some money. So long as the players have resale value, it’s not a risk imo. Otherwise we will keep relying on building new squads every summer with no funds available to spend… and we will never get anywhere as a club.

[Mick Brolly]

12 minutes ago, Millenniumram said:

For me, when we talk about players with “resale value”, it should mean spending decent sized fees on younger players who you hope to profit on in the future when they rise to a level above where you currently are.

Whilst technically you can make a profit on older players you sign on a free as well, I don’t think that’s quite the same thing - and is unlikely to yield significant profits anyway.

For the first two years of Clowes reign, we were forced by our embargo into only signing older players on frees or loaning younger players - so resale value really wasn’t a thing. But when you’re free to do what you want in the market, like we are now, I think it’s really important.

You can’t hope to run a football club sustainably and progress up the pyramid without make big profits on some transfers. We saw it under Mel - if you spend shedloads of money on older players, there’s only really two outcomes. You get promoted and money doesn’t matter anymore, or you don’t and end up in ruins (as we did).

You have GOT to spend money to compete in football, it’s as simple as that. And unless your owner is willing to bankroll the club forever (which ours isn’t, and FFP restricts anyway) then that money has to come from player sales. And there’s only really two routes you get players that are worth significant fees which you can reinvest into progressing your squad - from academy players, or players with resale value.

On the former, we have a category one academy and we’ve invested a lot since Clowes took over in rebuilding the ruins left by Quantuma - including bringing in pretty much a whole new group of staff with fresh ideas, after some stagnation and poor decisions under Wassall. I really think Clowes has done everything he can here and I applaud him for it. However, it’ll all count for nothing if the manager isn’t willing to give these players a chance. Of course, the development of a new generation takes time so it’s harsh to be too critical of Warne at the moment - but his treatment of our brightest talent in Dajaune Brown so far leaves me concerned about his desire to bring players though the academy.

Players with resale value… I do believe we need to be braver and do more with. To be fair, we have shown signs this window of looking abroad for players who we could make profits on in future - Goudmijn and Zetterstrom I think we could make a decent amount on. But I’m not sure we’ve gone far enough. The rest of our business has remained quite short termist, with more ageing players like Jackson and Osborn, and relying on loans.

Clowes promised a competitive budget, and I’m not sure we’ve seen it. From what I can see, we’ve been operating on a bottom three budget - which you can only really expect to end one way. It worries me that we talk about our only remaining business being loans - I know we’ve been scolded before, but we really do need to spend some money. So long as the players have resale value, it’s not a risk imo. Otherwise we will keep relying on building new squads every summer with no funds available to spend… and we will never get anywhere as a club.

At the moment i don’t really think we can afford to spend money on players that may come good in a few seasons we need players who can do the business now ,then when have stability we could begin looking at players for the future but maybe we need other investors for that.

[Tyler Durden]

If resale value is that important than why is DC choosing not to go down that path 

[Foreveram]

Will the people moaning about us not buying players to sell on be the same people moaning that we’ll never win anything cos we’ve become a selling club.🙄

[Millenniumram]

19 minutes ago, Mick Brolly said:

At the moment i don’t really think we can afford to spend money on players that may come good in a few seasons we need players who can do the business now ,then when have stability we could begin looking at players for the future but maybe we need other investors for that.

It’s not about players who may come good, it’s about signing players who will be good now and may reach the level above us in the future so they can be sold for profit. Not easy to find I grant you, but the clubs that have had the most success in recent years have managed it and reinvested well - teams like Brentford, Brighton, Coventry.

If we don’t have the money to do it then I think Clowes may need to look for some outside investment. I’m not sure we can survive on the tiny budget we have currently.

[jimbobram]

4 minutes ago, Foreveram said:

Will the people moaning about us not buying players to sell on be the same people moaning that we’ll never win anything cos we’ve become a selling club.🙄

Every club in the champ especially is a selling club. Most of us have come to the realisation we need to rebuild but when we are still signing players who are past their peak with no sell on fee, its hard to see that future progress. 

[Foreveram]

8 minutes ago, jimbobram said:

Every club in the champ especially is a selling club. Most of us have come to the realisation we need to rebuild but when we are still signing players who are past their peak with no sell on fee, its hard to see that future progress. 

Not really an answer to my question though.

[Mick Brolly]

7 minutes ago, Millenniumram said:

If we don’t have the money to do it then I think Clowes may need to look for some outside investment. I’m not sure we can survive on the tiny budget we have currently.

I think we’ll need some investment from elsewhere especially if the likes of Osula are going for 15m 

[Foreveram]

10 minutes ago, Mick Brolly said:

I think we’ll need some investment from elsewhere especially if the likes of Osula are going for 15m 

Not if we were the one selling the likes of Osula.

[hintonsboots]

13 minutes ago, Mick Brolly said:

I think we’ll need some investment from elsewhere especially if the likes of Osula are going for 15m 

Profit and sustainability wheeze. He’s worth about 750 k in reality.